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Old 08-18-2013, 03:49 PM  
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PFF: Poor game from Fisher
Yup. Very poor game.

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I’m not in the business of making excuses for someone, but how bad is the hand of Eric Fisher (-4.5)? I ask because his performance was of such a level and he seemed to be favoring his hand so often, that the question had to be asked: are the Chiefs doing the right thing getting him game time as opposed to letting him heal?

He had to leave the field after Will Tukuafu got the better of him with 4:05 to go in the first and yet he would return to finish out the first half. That wasn’t the only time he struggled as Ray McDonald was too powerful for him at the point of attack on the opening drive, having no problem working on his inside shoulder and getting off his blocking attempts.

In pass protection, Parys Haralson (hurry and sack), Corey Lemonier (hurry) and Ahmad Brooks (hurry with an assist from some hands to the face) all got past him, while he failed on two occasions to execute cut blocks on stretch runs.

More is expected of the first overall pick.
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Old 08-22-2013, 04:28 AM   #736
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Old 08-22-2013, 04:35 AM   #737
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Why am I not surprised that Marcellus and his "Andy Reid is a special offensive line coach and we should just trust him, guyz" straight up disappeared and will completely ignore this ?
Guess what asshole, I am not ignoring it and secondly I didn't say you had to trust him, I said I was going to trust him.

Philly has had some bad olines and they have had some good ones, obviously they didn't use the draft to fill most of the positions since most of those guys listed didn't play much over the 14 years or so.

If you are telling me every oline the Eagles have had sucked then you are full of shit.
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Old 08-22-2013, 04:57 AM   #738
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Old 08-22-2013, 05:07 AM   #739
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Avery has playmaking potential. Kelce I think has playmaking potential. In fact, the tight end position in general has been upgraded, across the board. Knile Davis also has gamebreaking speed but needs to continue to work on several areas of his game. They did a lot more than just draft Fisher on offense, in any event.
I think people underestimate the moves at tight end and at fullback. May seem like small potatoes, but in Reid's offense, those small moves will pay huge dividends. And it's not just because Alex Smith is a checkdown guy. The variation of the packages we can now run because we have 3 TEs, all of whom can block and catch, and FBs who can catch... terrific stuff. If we're going the "49er way," they do some really crazy packages. One that's always interested me is the diamond package where you have 2 FBs and a RB.
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Old 08-22-2013, 05:17 AM   #740
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Not that I disagree with your underlying point, but your analogy is bad.

RT is not first base. Maybe RG is, but RT is not. It's not as difficult as LT but requires similar skills, just less overall athleticism. If LT is SS, then RT is 3b.

Welllllll.....you may recall a pretty damn expensive acquisition with a hell of a pedigree moving into New York that just so happened to play the same position as a well established SS. He slid right on over to 3b to accommodate the incumbent at the harder position.

The problem with moving Fisher over to LT right now is that there's a pretty good chance he would get Alex Smith killed. All that kept Smith intact as guys were blasting past Fisher was the fact that he was fortunate enough to see them coming and athletic enough to get the hell out of the way.

No, moving Fisher to LT right now is not a good idea.
I think that's a good analogy. A Guard feels like First Base, because it's just not the kind of skill position Tackle is. While I'm not crazy about taking a Tackle early, I'm glad we didn't do what the Cards and Titans did and take a Guard in the top 10. The other reason you can't call Right Tackle 1st base is, it's becoming an almost critical position. There's a great PFF article about its growing importance, and I think it's really telling when 4 offensive minded coaches (Reid, Arians, McCoy, Chip Kelly) all went after a Right Tackle.

I don't agree about Fisher at LT. Fisher would do just fine. His athleticism is fine. I'm not sure why people are questioning it. The reason he's getting beat is because he's not using his arms and hands to punch the guy off the rush, it's not because he's too slow to handle the speed. If anything, he still has to get stronger to play the Right Tackle position. Only reason I wouldn't move Fisher to Left Tackle is that I see no reason to move Albert to the Right right now.
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Old 08-22-2013, 05:50 AM   #741
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Old 08-22-2013, 07:01 AM   #742
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Most seem to agree that Albert will be gone in the offseason. So what's the problem with drafting a quality OT in a draft lacking in true #1 value... playing him at a needed RT spot in year 1.. then letting him focus back on LT in the next offseason? Sure the OT transition isn't easy.. which is why they drafted a high character prospect that they feel will put in the work and improve as he develops. They clearly had scheme or talent doubts about their former RT to let him walk.

Biggest issue is, you have a LT prospect making a temporary RT transition, and he's doing it while battling through injuries. Add to that, KC naturally has lots of work to do still on getting all the OL,TE, and backs on the same page for exotic blitz pickups.

... but some are apparently freaking out and overreacting after a decent but underwhelming preseason game 1.. and a pretty awful preseason game 2 that featured uncharacteristic blitzes thrown at them.
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Old 08-22-2013, 10:49 AM   #743
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Published: Aug. 22, 2013 at 12:15 p.m. Updated: Aug. 22, 2013 at 12:39 p.m.

The Dolphins have said publicly they expect rookie pass rusher Dion Jordan to be ready for Miami's regular-season opener against the Cleveland Browns, but sources within the team have told Armando Salguero of The Miami Herald there is a "growing concern" the third-overall pick in April's draft won't be ready to play because of a nagging right shoulder injury.

Jordan has barely seen the field with the Dolphins because of offseason surgery on the shoulder, which continues to keep him off the field.


The defensive end played a mere seven snaps in the Hall of Fame Game, but Jordan hasn't practiced since. He won't play in Saturday's regular-season dress rehearsal against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, either, but defensive coordinator Kevin Coyle said Wednesday he expects Jordan to be ready for the Browns on Sept. 8.

"Um, I don't have doubt," Coyle said. "I hope if he stays on target with what we're hearing and what we're seeing, he'll be ready to help us come opening day."

Salguero was told that privately, discussions have swirled around the possibility of keeping Jordan out of practice longer than planned to allow the shoulder to fully heal and gain strength. At this stage, Jordan isn't in line to start, not with end Olivier Vernon lined up across from Cameron Wake.

Croyle acknowledged "there's always going to be a plan A, plan B, plan C as you approach the season," and general manager Jeff Ireland admitted this month that Jordan's play "has a long way to go." With the regular season fast approaching, it's fair to wonder what sort of impact Jordan will bring to Miami as a rookie.
You want to draft a skinny pass rusher to be a backup to Tamba and Houston at 1.1, when the guy is injured before day one of NFL play?
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Old 08-22-2013, 10:54 AM   #744
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And my browns don't know when they will get Mingo back now that he has been spitting up blood. So that's two of the top 6 picks...Yikes.
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Make no mistake - someone from this draft is going to end up being a guy like Clay Matthews - you look back and say "why the hell didn't we take THAT guy first overall?"

But those guys all had question marks coming out. It's just that some of those question marks get answers, and the answers are pro bowls.

Stephon Gilmore is looking like he could be one of those dudes.
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Make no mistake - someone from this draft is going to end up being a guy like Clay Matthews - you look back and say "why the hell didn't we take THAT guy first overall?"

But those guys all had question marks coming out. It's just that some of those question marks get answers, and the answers are pro bowls.

Stephon Gilmore is looking like he could be one of those dudes.
Oh, I can already tell you who that guy is going to be. I begged and pleaded for the Browns to take him, and yet again they let another stud end up with another divisional team. Just to let you know what I mean. We switched spots with the Ravens to let them have Haloti Ngata, and we took Kam Wimbley, we drafted Kam, but didn't draft Lawrence Timmons.

This year, we took Mingo, and let the Steelers get JARVIS JONES.

he is going to be the premiere pass rusher from this draft class.
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Most seem to agree that Albert will be gone in the offseason. So what's the problem with drafting a quality OT in a draft lacking in true #1 value... playing him at a needed RT spot in year 1.. then letting him focus back on LT in the next offseason? Sure the OT transition isn't easy.. which is why they drafted a high character prospect that they feel will put in the work and improve as he develops. They clearly had scheme or talent doubts about their former RT to let him walk.

Biggest issue is, you have a LT prospect making a temporary RT transition, and he's doing it while battling through injuries. Add to that, KC naturally has lots of work to do still on getting all the OL,TE, and backs on the same page for exotic blitz pickups.

... but some are apparently freaking out and overreacting after a decent but underwhelming preseason game 1.. and a pretty awful preseason game 2 that featured uncharacteristic blitzes thrown at them.
None of the concepts used were particularly "exotic" or uncharacteristic. Personnel variations or specialized "rush" fronts weren't even used.
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Jarvis jones has a condition called spinal stenosis that will most likely cause him to retire early.

A player like that is a good fit for a team like Pittsburgh that needs an every down rushbacker, but for us...it would be a wasted pick because by the time Hali is ready to hang em up, Jarvis Jones very well be at that point, too.
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None of the concepts used were particularly "exotic" or uncharacteristic. Personnel variations or specialized "rush" fronts weren't even used.
They were uncharacteristic of blitzes we are accustommed to from Fangio and SF. I didn't mean exotic or uncharacteristic in general.
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