Chiefs PFF: Poor game from Fisher - Page 39

Hammock Parties · 08-18-2013, 03:49 PM

Yup. Very poor game.

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I’m not in the business of making excuses for someone, but how bad is the hand of Eric Fisher (-4.5)? I ask because his performance was of such a level and he seemed to be favoring his hand so often, that the question had to be asked: are the Chiefs doing the right thing getting him game time as opposed to letting him heal?

He had to leave the field after Will Tukuafu got the better of him with 4:05 to go in the first and yet he would return to finish out the first half. That wasn’t the only time he struggled as Ray McDonald was too powerful for him at the point of attack on the opening drive, having no problem working on his inside shoulder and getting off his blocking attempts.

In pass protection, Parys Haralson (hurry and sack), Corey Lemonier (hurry) and Ahmad Brooks (hurry with an assist from some hands to the face) all got past him, while he failed on two occasions to execute cut blocks on stretch runs.

More is expected of the first overall pick.

DJ's left nut · 08-21-2013, 02:11 PM

I re-watched the game last night with a couple of areas of observation, one of them being Fisher.

I honestly think its impossible to overstate how bad he was in that game. That may have been more condensed suck into a single half than I've ever seen from a tackle; Barry Richardson and Jordan Black included.

There was a play where the TE got chipped inside, turned around and pushed backwards into Fisher (who had disengaged from his block) and Fisher fell down. He ****ing fell down when a player got pushed into him.

And anyone with anything remotely resembling a speed rush blew by him.

When I watched that game in real time I was extremely concerned with Smith's passing. And really, I remained concerned when I watched it again (he had 2 very bad plays where he just refused to get rid of the ball). But man, 1/2 those drop backs he had absolutely no chance because Fisher was able to do nothing.

I was floored by how ineffective Fisher was.

EDIT: I see Clay Gif'd him up. Yeah, I forgot to mention the other play where he fell flat on his ass.

He was incredibly bad.

penbrook · 08-21-2013, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I re-watched the game last night with a couple of areas of observation, one of them being Fisher.

I honestly think its impossible to overstate how bad he was in that game. That may have been more condensed suck into a single half than I've ever seen from a tackle; Barry Richardson and Jordan Black included.

There was a play where the TE got chipped inside, turned around and pushed backwards into Fisher (who had disengaged from his block) and Fisher fell down. He ****ing fell down when a player got pushed into him.

And anyone with anything remotely resembling a speed rush blew by him.

When I watched that game in real time I was extremely concerned with Smith's passing. And really, I remained concerned when I watched it again (he had 2 very bad plays where he just refused to get rid of the ball). But man, 1/2 those drop backs he had absolutely no chance because Fisher was able to do nothing.

I was floored by how ineffective Fisher was.

And to think some people here wanted him starting at LT with Albert gone.

**RealSNR** · 08-21-2013, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by penbook

Ed Werder said Eric Fisher has a shoulder and hand injury but are considered minor.

He said their are people within the Chiefs organization who want him to fight through this injury and show more mental toughness.

I like that he plays hurt and keeps coming back for more. He's got plenty of mental toughness.

People within the Chiefs organization should want him to fight through this suck and show more strength and skills.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-21-2013, 02:35 PM

The consistent theme is he is over-compensating by trying to play without his hands, especially his right hand. He's not getting beat off the speed rush because he's slow. He's getting beat because he's not getting a punch in or engaging the guy in a block. It's interesting to watch how many times he tries to block a guy with only his left hand and how many times he doesn't even use his hands, but instead leads the block with his head or shoulder.

The 4 gifs GoChiefs showed pretty clearly illustrate this. And the play where he falls over, he falls because Knile Davis is darting into the gap.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I re-watched the game last night with a couple of areas of observation, one of them being Fisher.

I honestly think its impossible to overstate how bad he was in that game. That may have been more condensed suck into a single half than I've ever seen from a tackle; Barry Richardson and Jordan Black included.

There was a play where the TE got chipped inside, turned around and pushed backwards into Fisher (who had disengaged from his block) and Fisher fell down. He ****ing fell down when a player got pushed into him.

And anyone with anything remotely resembling a speed rush blew by him.

When I watched that game in real time I was extremely concerned with Smith's passing. And really, I remained concerned when I watched it again (he had 2 very bad plays where he just refused to get rid of the ball). But man, 1/2 those drop backs he had absolutely no chance because Fisher was able to do nothing.

I was floored by how ineffective Fisher was.

EDIT: I see Clay Gif'd him up. Yeah, I forgot to mention the other play where he fell flat on his ass.

He was incredibly bad.

L.A. Chieffan · 08-21-2013, 02:41 PM

He's injured and hes playing out of position. Other teams are purposely targeting him because of this and also because of the inherent notoriety of being the #1 overall pick.

JFC hes a rookie in the second preseason game facing the defending NFC champs. He'll be fine.

**BossChief** · 08-21-2013, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

I think he was viewed as a PR cancer after he lashed out at the fans.

As far as actual play; he was an average RT. Don't know that he would have been cut if he'd have shut his mouth.

Shit, some here think that's all we should get from the first pick in the draft...

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I re-watched the game last night with a couple of areas of observation, one of them being Fisher.

I honestly think its impossible to overstate how bad he was in that game. That may have been more condensed suck into a single half than I've ever seen from a tackle; Barry Richardson and Jordan Black included.

There was a play where the TE got chipped inside, turned around and pushed backwards into Fisher (who had disengaged from his block) and Fisher f
ll down. He ****ing fell down when a player got pushed into him.

And anyone with anything remotely resembling a speed rush blew by him.

When I watched that game in real time I was extremely concerned with Smith's passing. And really, I remained concerned when I watched it again (he had 2 very bad plays where he just refused to get rid of the ball). But man, 1/2 those drop backs he had absolutely no chance because Fisher was able to do nothing.

I was floored by how ineffective Fisher was.

EDIT: I see Clay Gif'd him up. Yeah, I forgot to mention the other play where he fell flat on his ass.

He was incredibly bad.

I saw the same thing in the 49ers game that I saw in practice when people were telling me "it wasn't that bad, I was there too" and other nonsense.

When I was describing how badly Austen Lane was "walking him like a dog" I wanted to throw up.

It's sad that he doesn't seem to have improved at all since those days I was at camp.

The kid better get it going...

Woodley
Matthews
Ware
Pierre Paul
Tuck
Watt
Mingo
Von Miller x2
Orakpo
Mathis

That's just a quick list of guys that he will have to face this year...and before someone says "some of those guys are gonna be on the opposite side"..recognize that DCs will move players to favorable matchups.

The guy can't block backups...how is he gonna fair against those types of players?

I'm gonna keep on saying this...Jalil Brown and Dante Robinson are gonna give up a lot of scores collectively and Alex Smith is gonna need to counter those scores by putting up points if we are to win games and Eric Fisher is a LIABILITY AS A BLOCKER and will get guys hurt if he doesn't step his game up a few levels.

How are we gonna put up a lot of points with a right tackle that's this bad and a quarterback that doesn't throw to his wide receivers?

**BossChief** · 08-21-2013, 03:37 PM

If his hand has a serious injury, they need to sit the kid down and let it heal...there is no way he is benefiting from being out there getting eviscerated by backups while trying to prove he is "tough".

He is damn lucky he didn't have to face Justin and Aldon Smith.

mcaj22 · 08-21-2013, 03:52 PM

is Fisher really going to get "the playing out of position" free pass all season if he sucks?

what about Jeff Allen? same treatment if he sucks? Jeff Allen was a tackle he has to learn guard not fair!

Marcellus · 08-21-2013, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

If his hand has a serious injury, they need to sit the kid down and let it heal...there is no way he is benefiting from being out there getting eviscerated by backups while trying to prove he is "tough".

He is damn lucky he didn't have to face Justin and Aldon Smith.

Any Reid played OG in college and coached OL in college for 9 years so he may have a clue as to what may work for Fisher and his development.

**RealSNR** · 08-21-2013, 04:03 PM

If Reid decided to let Fisher's hand heal 100%, we'd see Geoff Schwartz playing RT according to the depth chart.

Schwartz is most comfortable at guard. He said so himself. How much of a liability would that be?

mcaj22 · 08-21-2013, 04:08 PM

what about Matt Reynolds, there was some people on here hyping him

**BossChief** · 08-21-2013, 04:08 PM

Marcellus never gets tired of making the same old tired excuses every offseason, does he?

"these guys are in the NFL so we should just shut up and let them do their jobs"

It's not like we are on a message board discussing ymthe team or anything...

jd1020 · 08-21-2013, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

what about Matt Reynolds, ~~there was some people on here hyping him~~ Saccopoo was hyping him

Fixed.

BYU. Undrafted 2012. Cut twice in 1 year by 2 different teams. Nuff said.

**BigMeatballDave** · 08-21-2013, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Marcellus never gets tired of making the same old tired excuses every offseason, does he?

"these guys are in the NFL so we should just shut up and let them do their jobs"

It's not like we are on a message board discussing ymthe team or anything...

When are you gonna start pimping Dex again?

Pablo · 08-21-2013, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

is Fisher really going to get "the playing out of position" free pass all season if he sucks?

what about Jeff Allen? same treatment if he sucks? Jeff Allen was a tackle he has to learn guard not fair!

Yes. He will. Even though he was the best prospect available out of every collegiate player.

08-21-2013, 02:11 PM	#571
DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $-620901	I re-watched the game last night with a couple of areas of observation, one of them being Fisher. I honestly think its impossible to overstate how bad he was in that game. That may have been more condensed suck into a single half than I've ever seen from a tackle; Barry Richardson and Jordan Black included. There was a play where the TE got chipped inside, turned around and pushed backwards into Fisher (who had disengaged from his block) and Fisher fell down. He **ing fell down when a player got pushed into him. And anyone with anything remotely resembling a speed rush blew by him. When I watched that game in real time I was extremely concerned with Smith's passing. And really, I remained concerned when I watched it again (he had 2 very bad plays where he just refused to get rid of the ball). But man, 1/2 those drop backs he had absolutely no chance because Fisher was able to do nothing. I was floored by how ineffective Fisher was. EDIT: I see Clay Gif'd him up. Yeah, I forgot to mention the other play where he fell flat on his ass. He was incredibly bad. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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08-21-2013, 02:41 PM	#575
L.A. Chieffan PLAY GOOD FOOTBALL Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: American Gardens Building Casino cash: $2728654	He's injured and hes playing out of position. Other teams are purposely targeting him because of this and also because of the inherent notoriety of being the #1 overall pick. JFC hes a rookie in the second preseason game facing the defending NFC champs. He'll be fine.
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08-21-2013, 03:37 PM	#577
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1535912	If his hand has a serious injury, they need to sit the kid down and let it heal...there is no way he is benefiting from being out there getting eviscerated by backups while trying to prove he is "tough". He is damn lucky he didn't have to face Justin and Aldon Smith. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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08-21-2013, 03:52 PM	#578
mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	is Fisher really going to get "the playing out of position" free pass all season if he sucks? what about Jeff Allen? same treatment if he sucks? Jeff Allen was a tackle he has to learn guard not fair!
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RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $-1294792	If Reid decided to let Fisher's hand heal 100%, we'd see Geoff Schwartz playing RT according to the depth chart. Schwartz is most comfortable at guard. He said so himself. How much of a liability would that be?
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08-21-2013, 04:08 PM	#581
mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	what about Matt Reynolds, there was some people on here hyping him
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08-21-2013, 04:08 PM	#582
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1535912	Marcellus never gets tired of making the same old tired excuses every offseason, does he? "these guys are in the NFL so we should just shut up and let them do their jobs" It's not like we are on a message board discussing ymthe team or anything... __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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