PFF: Poor game from Fisher

[Hammock Parties]

Yup. Very poor game.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...reseason-wk-2/

Rookie Rollicking

I’m not in the business of making excuses for someone, but how bad is the hand of Eric Fisher (-4.5)? I ask because his performance was of such a level and he seemed to be favoring his hand so often, that the question had to be asked: are the Chiefs doing the right thing getting him game time as opposed to letting him heal?

He had to leave the field after Will Tukuafu got the better of him with 4:05 to go in the first and yet he would return to finish out the first half. That wasn’t the only time he struggled as Ray McDonald was too powerful for him at the point of attack on the opening drive, having no problem working on his inside shoulder and getting off his blocking attempts.

In pass protection, Parys Haralson (hurry and sack), Corey Lemonier (hurry) and Ahmad Brooks (hurry with an assist from some hands to the face) all got past him, while he failed on two occasions to execute cut blocks on stretch runs.

More is expected of the first overall pick.

[GoChargers]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

I thought that too. And that would make sense. A guy who was a dominant left tackle at a Mid Level D1 school making the transition to the pros struggling with his technique at the pro level is to be expected. he will get it figured out....

He was the first overall pick. If you're taking a left tackle first overall, he'd better be the new Orlando Pace and dominate immediately from day one to even come close to justifying it.

Even then, there'd better not be any playmakers worthy of even a top 10 pick. Wasn't the case this past draft, as Tavon Austin and Dee Milliner went in the top 10.

Even with all that, the left tackle position is still increasingly irrelevant by the year as teams continue to move their best pass rushers to the right side of the field and statistics show that quarterback performance doesn't significantly differ whether pressure is coming from the left or the right. The last five Super Bowl winners did it with mediocre left tackles and half-decent O-lines at best.

So really, there's no justifying the Fisher pick in the modern NFL, and it especially looks bad because he's so raw and playing horribly in both training camp and preseason.

[Sandy Vagina]

^ people get so stupid over this 1st overall pick issue. This was one of those underwhelming drafts where there really was no clear #1 overall pick. Many felt that the top 2 players were Fisher and Joeckel. It's been two preseason games, and people are crying, JFC. Not the sexy pick, but building in the trenches is not a bad thing. If you can't protect your QB or open lanes for your RB, then you are handicapping your two key players on offense... and you DO want a better offense, right?

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

^ people get so stupid over this 1st overall pick issue. This was one of those underwhelming drafts where there really was no clear #1 overall pick. Many felt that the top 2 players were Fisher and Joeckel. It's been two preseason games, and people are crying, JFC. Not the sexy pick, but building in the trenches is not a bad thing. If you can't protect your QB or open lanes for your RB, then you are handicapping your two key players on offense... and you DO want a better offense, right?

GAMES WON IN THE TRENCHES!

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by GoChargers

He was the first overall pick. If you're taking a left tackle first overall, he'd better be the new Orlando Pace and dominate immediately from day one to even come close to justifying it.

Even then, there'd better not be any playmakers worthy of even a top 10 pick. Wasn't the case this past draft, as Tavon Austin and Dee Milliner went in the top 10.

Even with all that, the left tackle position is still increasingly irrelevant by the year as teams continue to move their best pass rushers to the right side of the field and statistics show that quarterback performance doesn't significantly differ whether pressure is coming from the left or the right. The last five Super Bowl winners did it with mediocre left tackles and half-decent O-lines at best.

So really, there's no justifying the Fisher pick in the modern NFL, and it especially looks bad because he's so raw and playing horribly in both training camp and preseason.

A lot of this.

There's still time for him to turn into the most nastiest, soul eating OT of all time. Which is pretty much what he'll need to be at some point. Just wish the arrow was pointing up early on.

[RunKC]

People are implying that it was mostly Alex Smith's fault Friday. Let's take a look at what actually happened.

-No Charles.
-Bowe double covered.
-OL getting pushed back into the QB.
-Kelce and Baldwin dropping passes they should have caught.
-Rookie RB looking decent but not that great.
-Baldwin not getting separation or turning head for the ball.

Alex wasn't the factor like people are proclaiming. He was a part of many factors.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by RunKC

People are implying that it was mostly Alex Smith's fault Friday. Let's take a look at what actually happened.

-No Charles.
-Bowe double covered.
-OL getting pushed back into the QB.
-Kelce and Baldwin dropping passes they should have caught.
-Rookie RB looking decent but not that great.
-Baldwin not getting separation or turning head for the ball.

Alex wasn't the factor like people are proclaiming. He was a part of many factors.

-Chiefs' starting offense on the whole struggled through most of the first half against the 49ers' backups.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by RunKC

People are implying that it was mostly Alex Smith's fault Friday. Let's take a look at what actually happened.

-No Charles.
-Bowe double covered.
-OL getting pushed back into the QB.
-Kelce and Baldwin dropping passes they should have caught.
-Rookie RB looking decent but not that great.
-Baldwin not getting separation or turning head for the ball.

Alex wasn't the factor like people are proclaiming. He was a part of many factors.

Thank you for compiling the season excuse-list early.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

Thank you for compiling the season excuse-list early.

Yeah, really. What QB needs his receivers to get open, catch balls thrown in their hands, or blockers to protect him.

Excuses!



... but this thread was about Fisher, RunKC.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And there it is.

Funny that fisher is injury prone. I guess geno smith and Mingo just had freak injuries.

Well, yes, Mingo did have a freak injury. They still don't know how he ended up with a bruised lung.

Originally Posted by GoChargers

He was the first overall pick. If you're taking a left tackle first overall, he'd better be the new Orlando Pace and dominate immediately from day one to even come close to justifying it.

Even then, there'd better not be any playmakers worthy of even a top 10 pick. Wasn't the case this past draft, as Tavon Austin and Dee Milliner went in the top 10.

Even with all that, the left tackle position is still increasingly irrelevant by the year as teams continue to move their best pass rushers to the right side of the field and statistics show that quarterback performance doesn't significantly differ whether pressure is coming from the left or the right. The last five Super Bowl winners did it with mediocre left tackles and half-decent O-lines at best.

So really, there's no justifying the Fisher pick in the modern NFL, and it especially looks bad because he's so raw and playing horribly in both training camp and preseason.

He was the First overall pick in a top 10 draft that was littered with offensive linemen. As I have stated. 7 of the top 12 were offensive linemen with one receiver, 3 pass rushers, and a corner taken. They didn't see Milliner as a need because they already had Flowers, Sean Smith, and Dunta Robinson. They didn't need a pass rusher because they have both Hali, and Houston, and even on draft day there was speculation they were going to move Albert.

It was the absolute worst case scenario for the Chiefs. They were damned if they did, and damned if they didn't, and had they drafted Milliner, people would of crushed them for taking another corner after spending so much in free agency on the position. The only possible outcome that would of made people happy were to reach for a qb, or to take Austin.

It sucks.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by BossChief

So we are back to trying to justify a project right tackle at first overall?

Great.



If I was privy to the information GMs are privy to, I'd say I'd have done something like this:

1) Sign Matt Moore instead of trading two seconds for Alex Smyth and cut Matt Cassel.

2) Trade down to 12 with Miami, adding another second rounder.



3) Draft EJ Manuel, Geno Smith. depending on who interviewed/worked out the best. Not who I thought would be an immediate impact quarterback, but who I thought had the highest achievable ceiling.

4) take Robert Woods with our second rounder to help give our drafted quarterback a chance with two good receivers.

5) Draft Margus Hunt with our traded for second rounder from Miami

6) I like the Travis Kelce pick, so I'll actually keep that one at the top of the third.

7) Alex Okeafor with the comp third.

8) Nico Johnson with the fourth

9) coupled my 5 and 7th rounders to move up to take Marcus Lattimore

10) Bacardi Rambo in the 6th

11) Tyler Bray with the 6th comp pick

As far as FA goes, I am OK with Sean Smith, Fasano, Hussein, Devito, Jordan and Avery.

I would still have my second rounder next year and would be VERY excited about the short and long term future of this team.

How's that?

Ok, cool.

Would you consider that a Super Bowl challenging team?

I'm not crazy about Alex smith, but if they didnt like any if the qbs in this class, they didnt like them.

It is what it is

[LOCOChief]

This thread will be pure gold by December.

[GoChargers]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

Yeah, really. What QB needs his receivers to get open, catch balls thrown in their hands, or blockers to protect him.

Real quarterbacks are able to throw their receivers open and make throws under pressure.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by GoChargers

He was the first overall pick. If you're taking a left tackle first overall, he'd better be the new Orlando Pace and dominate immediately from day one to even come close to justifying it.

Even then, there'd better not be any playmakers worthy of even a top 10 pick. Wasn't the case this past draft, as Tavon Austin and Dee Milliner went in the top 10.

Even with all that, the left tackle position is still increasingly irrelevant by the year as teams continue to move their best pass rushers to the right side of the field and statistics show that quarterback performance doesn't significantly differ whether pressure is coming from the left or the right. The last five Super Bowl winners did it with mediocre left tackles and half-decent O-lines at best.

So really, there's no justifying the Fisher pick in the modern NFL, and it especially looks bad because he's so raw and playing horribly in both training camp and preseason.

I am not a fan of drafting right tackles this high.

But again... This idea that fisher is a better draft pick if he succeeds right away is total crap. If he does really well after struggling nobody will care about a year or so of struggles, just as most people have become supportive of Brandon Albert.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Well, yes, Mingo did have a freak injury. They still don't know how he ended up with a bruised lung.


He was the First overall pick in a top 10 draft that was littered with offensive linemen. As I have stated. 7 of the top 12 were offensive linemen with one receiver, 3 pass rushers, and a corner taken. They didn't see Milliner as a need because they already had Flowers, Sean Smith, and Dunta Robinson. They didn't need a pass rusher because they have both Hali, and Houston, and even on draft day there was speculation they were going to move Albert.

It was the absolute worst case scenario for the Chiefs. They were damned if they did, and damned if they didn't, and had they drafted Milliner, people would of crushed them for taking another corner after spending so much in free agency on the position. The only possible outcome that would of made people happy were to reach for a qb, or to take Austin.

It sucks.

I'd much rather have had Milliner and signed Sean Smith, and let Dunte Robinson go pound sand with some other team. Keep Eric Winston, re-sign Albert.

When the Chiefs go nickel, that's going to be a huge weakness with Robinson back there... one that is largely preventing this defense from gaining elite status.

[O.city]

I'm more upset that they didnt take Richardson than not taking a qb at 1.