PFF: Poor game from Fisher

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Yup. Very poor game.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...reseason-wk-2/

Rookie Rollicking

I’m not in the business of making excuses for someone, but how bad is the hand of Eric Fisher (-4.5)? I ask because his performance was of such a level and he seemed to be favoring his hand so often, that the question had to be asked: are the Chiefs doing the right thing getting him game time as opposed to letting him heal?

He had to leave the field after Will Tukuafu got the better of him with 4:05 to go in the first and yet he would return to finish out the first half. That wasn’t the only time he struggled as Ray McDonald was too powerful for him at the point of attack on the opening drive, having no problem working on his inside shoulder and getting off his blocking attempts.

In pass protection, Parys Haralson (hurry and sack), Corey Lemonier (hurry) and Ahmad Brooks (hurry with an assist from some hands to the face) all got past him, while he failed on two occasions to execute cut blocks on stretch runs.

More is expected of the first overall pick.

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Albert sure is getting beaten on this play.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The fact is...
This front office will be judged on the QB we have in year 3, and the QBs we passed on. Period.

The Smith trade. Passing on Geno. Etc... None of that matters, even the trade value, if we have a franchise QB in 3 year, even if by some miracle, that ends up being Alex Smith.

I agree mostly.

The part I don't is that Alex needs to "hit the ground running" it's not like the guy has a 10 year window here. His window of effectiveness is likely 4-6 years (max)

For the trade to be a success, it needs to happen QUICKLY.

Remember, this was a "win right now" move.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by BossChief

So we are back to trying to justify a project right tackle at first overall?

Great.



If I was privy to the information GMs are privy to, I'd say I'd have done something like this:

1) Sign Matt Moore instead of trading two seconds for Alex Smyth and cut Matt Cassel.

2) Trade down to 12 with Miami, adding another second rounder.



3) Draft EJ Manuel, Geno Smith. depending on who interviewed/worked out the best. Not who I thought would be an immediate impact quarterback, but who I thought had the highest achievable ceiling.

4) take Robert Woods with our second rounder to help give our drafted quarterback a chance with two good receivers.

5) Draft Margus Hunt with our traded for second rounder from Miami

6) I like the Travis Kelce pick, so I'll actually keep that one at the top of the third.

7) Alex Okeafor with the comp third.

8) Nico Johnson with the fourth

9) coupled my 5 and 7th rounders to move up to take Marcus Lattimore

10) Bacardi Rambo in the 6th

11) Tyler Bray with the 6th comp pick

As far as FA goes, I am OK with Sean Smith, Fasano, Hussein, Devito, Jordan and Avery.

I would still have my second rounder next year and would be VERY excited about the short and long term future of this team.

How's that?

Thank God some of you guys aren't the GM. Matt Moore leading this team=5-11 at best.

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Thank God some of you guys aren't the GM. Matt Moore leading this team=5-11 at best.

Most of us would be willing to go 5-11 if it meant we were developing a young QB.

It's a lot more enticing than going 8-8 with Alex Smith.

[BossChief]

Matt Moore has a winning record starting for talentless teams.

He had a 98+ rating in 2009
87+ rating in 2011
96+ rating in 2012

He has never played on a team with as much talent as we have in KC, either.

A quarterback like that coupled with a drafted quarterback >>>> Alex Smith and Chase Daniel.

[SAUTO]

I was all for Matt hasselback
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[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I agree mostly.

The part I don't is that Alex needs to "hit the ground running" it's not like the guy has a 10 year window here. His window of effectiveness is likely 4-6 years (max)

For the trade to be a success, it needs to happen QUICKLY.

Remember, this was a "win right now" move.

I think Alex Smith is the best guy to win us some games quickly. By a mile. I like him better than Matt Moore.

But yeah... I don't think his window is 5 years and I don't think he wins us a Super Bowl. I'm only happy with the Alex Smith trade if he gets us winning again and we have a different QB in 3 years, unless he makes a big transformation.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Thank God some of you guys aren't the GM. Matt Moore leading this team=5-11 at best.

Who gives a ****? Everybody here says Alex Smith was the best we could do this year.

That's dogshit. We can do better, and you know it.

I'm willing to punt this one away and try again next year. One year doesn't make a ****ing difference when you're trying to build a dynasty and make the entire country forget that the Chiefs ever sucked this much shit for so long.

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Originally Posted by SNR

I'm willing to punt this one away and try again next year. One year doesn't make a ****ing difference when you're trying to build a dynasty and make the entire country forget that the Chiefs ever sucked this much shit for so long.

I didn't give a shit about wins this year.

All I wanted to see was a QB making some plays and showing some long-term potential by December.

We aren't going to see that for at least three years now.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by SNR

Who gives a ****? Everybody here says Alex Smith was the best we could do this year.

That's dogshit. We can do better, and you know it.

I'm willing to punt this one away and try again next year. One year doesn't make a ****ing difference when you're trying to build a dynasty and make the entire country forget that the Chiefs ever sucked this much shit for so long.

There is no excuse for not winning games now.

Arrowhead is deflated. Players don't want to come here anymore. And yes, the Chiefs spent a shitload of non-cap money on coaches and front office. They should have some need to make that money back.

I don't blame Clark Hunt if his directive is to win games ASAP, even if you're not a real Super Bowl team. What matters is if we stubbornly stick to this team and say a playoff win or two is good enough. Alex Smith was the best safe option out there. He can definitely lead us to a playoff win. To win super bowls, we need to do better. I'll give this front office a year or 2 to figure that out.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I think Alex Smith is the best guy to win us some games quickly. By a mile. I like him better than Matt Moore.

But yeah... I don't think his window is 5 years and I don't think he wins us a Super Bowl. I'm only happy with the Alex Smith trade if he gets us winning again and we have a different QB in 3 years, unless he makes a big transformation.

I think Alex is better than Matt Moore, but I think winning it all is the ultimate goal and giving up two premium picks for the difference between the two is a huge waste of resources.

A team with Matt Moore and two second round talents is better than Alex without those players.

Both scenarios have replaceable quarterbacks, but one scenario has two additional quality players on it when the QB is replaced.

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Alex Smith was the best safe option out there. He can definitely lead us to a playoff win.

I'd be utterly shocked if we ever get close to such a thing with him.

My opinion of him has dropped like a rock since preseason started.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

There is no excuse for not winning games now.

Arrowhead is deflated. Players don't want to come here anymore. And yes, the Chiefs spent a shitload of non-cap money on coaches and front office. They should have some need to make that money back.

I don't blame Clark Hunt if his directive is to win games ASAP, even if you're not a real Super Bowl team. What matters is if we stubbornly stick to this team and say a playoff win or two is good enough. Alex Smith was the best safe option out there. He can definitely lead us to a playoff win. To win super bowls, we need to do better. I'll give this front office a year or 2 to figure that out.

Did you see the Ravens game in 2010? We couldn't even ****ing fill Arrowhead for a goddamn playoff game.

Arrowhead is probably permanently deflated, and I think it has to do with the fact that there aren't enough people in KC rich enough to blow that much money on attending a game in an era when you can watch that shit nearly ANYWHERE. You don't even need cable TV to do it.

I'm not from Kansas City. I haven't been to a game in Arrowhead since 2003. Clark Hunt may worry about filling the stadium, but what REALLY matters is growing out your product.

People become fans of teams when they have STARS. That's how the Packers are able to make it in tiny ass Green Bay, WI. They have stars. They invest in those stars. And when their stars get old, they go out and get MORE stars.

Alex Smith is not a star. He's an insult. And that's why nobody will ever give a shit about the Chiefs, which DRAMATICALLY affects the dollars and cents.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by gochiefs(exceptQB)

I'd be utterly shocked if we ever get close to such a thing with him.

My opinion of him has dropped like a rock since preseason started.

Because you base way too much of your opinion on meaningless preseason games.

I was not impressed with Alex Smith either. But he is clearly a bubble playoff QB who is a longshot to do anything big in the playoffs.

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Because you base way too much of your opinion on meaningless preseason games.

Perhaps, but to me the preseason is a confirmation of what I already knew about him.

And I also think preseason games aren't as meaningless as people believe them to be where individual players are concerned.

Preseason meant a LOT last year.