Chiefs PFF: Poor game from Fisher - Page 27

Hammock Parties · 08-18-2013, 03:49 PM

Yup. Very poor game.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...reseason-wk-2/

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Rookie Rollicking

I’m not in the business of making excuses for someone, but how bad is the hand of Eric Fisher (-4.5)? I ask because his performance was of such a level and he seemed to be favoring his hand so often, that the question had to be asked: are the Chiefs doing the right thing getting him game time as opposed to letting him heal?

He had to leave the field after Will Tukuafu got the better of him with 4:05 to go in the first and yet he would return to finish out the first half. That wasn’t the only time he struggled as Ray McDonald was too powerful for him at the point of attack on the opening drive, having no problem working on his inside shoulder and getting off his blocking attempts.

In pass protection, Parys Haralson (hurry and sack), Corey Lemonier (hurry) and Ahmad Brooks (hurry with an assist from some hands to the face) all got past him, while he failed on two occasions to execute cut blocks on stretch runs.

More is expected of the first overall pick.

RunKC · 08-20-2013, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

If we were dead set on upgrading the line, then trade back (taking a second if that all that's offered) and take whoever if left out of Fisher, Johnson, Joeckel, Cooper, Aarmack.

Impact players?

Ansah, Austin, Mingo, Patterson, Richardson, Jordan, etc.

Staying out at 1 and taking a project right tackle was just flat out stupid.

I don't want to hear the bullshit excuses.

It was a waste of resources.

So you're criticizing them for taking a project player when you wanted them to draft Ansah, the biggest developmental player in top half of the first round with the least experience?

Fisher is going to be this teams LT for years to come. You're fooling yourself if you think Albert is the long term LT.

RunKC · 08-20-2013, 08:39 PM

Let's go through the list here.

Ansah=biggest question mark in the draft. Easily a huge project player.

Mingo/Jordan=no room for them to get on the field with Tamba and Houston.

Milliner=No room for him. They are high on Sean Smith and he's looked solid so far.

Cooper/Warmack=this is funny because these are the players that people said they'd freak out about the most had we picked them.

Only possible player worth picking was Tavon Austin. Would have loved him, but I understand the Fisher pick. We have to defend Von Miller to compete and the OL was an abortion after last year. Just flat out terrible.

TEX · 08-20-2013, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

If we were dead set on upgrading the line, then trade back (taking a second if that all that's offered) and take whoever if left out of Fisher, Johnson, Joeckel, Cooper, Aarmack.

Impact players?

Ansah, Austin, Mingo, Patterson, Richardson, Jordan, etc.

Staying out at 1 and taking a project right tackle was just flat out stupid.

I don't want to hear the bullshit excuses.

It was a waste of resources.

It takes two to trade...nobody willing means NO TRADE...

TEX · 08-20-2013, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Let's go through the list here.

Ansah=biggest question mark in the draft. Easily a huge project player.

Mingo/Jordan=no room for them to get on the field with Tamba and Houston.

Milliner=No room for him. They are high on Sean Smith and he's looked solid so far.

Cooper/Warmack=this is funny because these are the players that people said they'd freak out about the most had we picked them.

Only possible player worth picking was Tavon Austin. Would have loved him, but I understand the Fisher pick. We have to defend Von Miller to compete and the OL was an abortion after last year. Just flat out terrible.

How dare you construct a post inclusive of logic. What are you trying to do here???

O.city · 08-20-2013, 08:48 PM

Richardson should have been th pick IMO but I get the fisher pick

**BossChief** · 08-20-2013, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Sitting here trying to think of who was available in this draft that anybody would trade into the first spot for.

It's also funny that Jacksonville did the exact same thing as the Chiefs. You are overreacting big time.

Stupid teams do stupid things.

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Originally Posted by LOCOChief

What's done is done no excuses made I didn't make the pick but the picks in man RT @ 1.1 . But like the pick or not calling it a bust after 2 preseason games is dumb.

NOBODY IS CALLING ERIC FISHER A BUST.

Don't you people have ANY STANDARDS? Expectations?

Shouldn't the first pick in the draft be able to handle one on one matchups with backup quality players without problem?

TE guy has been getting walked like a dog by almost everyone he has faced. Including Austen Lane, who is a terrible player.

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Originally Posted by O.city

Where are you getting that he's a project right tackle?
He was the best left tackle prospect in the draft, the mistake if you want to argue that there was one, was not moving Albert if your gonna take fisher.

Now, the guy is hurt and learning a new position.

And if you want to scream trade back, that's fine, but if you want to argue that some of those guys are such impact players, why was there no one knocking down the door to trade up for one?

people in this threads recent history are already throwing out the "linemen take time, he is just a rookie, it's just preseason" crap.

First overall picks at low importance positions should flash the ability to DOMINATE backup quality players.

Some of you think it's ok, though because he is supposed to be a left tackle...even though we already have a good left tackle.

If Austen Lane and other backup quality players beat Fisher in 1on1s how is he supposed to be able to handle guys like Woodley, Ware, Aldon Smith, etc?

As far as the "we couldnt trade down" argument, why was Oakland able to move down?

Vaccaro
Richardson
Star
Reid
Floyd
Werner
Jones
Patterson
Trufant
Elam

While also adding a valuable second round pick...

Oh well, let's just hope they do the right thing and at least keep Albert (if he earns it) so that the pick at least solidified our tackle spots long term and we don't have to spend more pucks next year to cover for bad decisions this year.

RunKC · 08-20-2013, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Richardson should have been th pick IMO but I get the fisher pick

I think they just went with the better overall talent. I think they know that both lines have problems.

I haven't followed Richardson. Wonder how he's looking so far?

O.city · 08-20-2013, 08:56 PM

So we have a good left tackle that has to prove he deserves a contract? Isn't that counterintuitive?

Had we traded down and taken a dl, people would bitch. Same with a olb.

The guy is hurt and has played 2 preseason games. He's underperformed up to this point sure, but I don't think you can necessarily expect him to be a top of the line player at his position by week 2 of the preseason.

If he's an average to above average player this year and ascending, that's what you look for

Hammock Parties · 08-20-2013, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I don't think you can necessarily expect him to be a top of the line player at his position by week 2 of the preseason.

PARYS HARALSON.

O.city · 08-20-2013, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by gochiefs(exceptQB)

PARYS HARALSON.

Yeah is that a pro bowler that Albert can't get his hands in their in the next to last gif?

Good grief

Hammock Parties · 08-20-2013, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah is that a pro bowler that Albert can't get his hands in their in the next to last gif?

Good grief

Who cares? Albert IS PROVEN. You don't seem to get that.

**BossChief** · 08-20-2013, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Let's go through the list here.

Ansah=biggest question mark in the draft. Easily a huge project player.

Mingo/Jordan=no room for them to get on the field with Tamba and Houston.

Milliner=No room for him. They are high on Sean Smith and he's looked solid so far.

Cooper/Warmack=this is funny because these are the players that people said they'd freak out about the most had we picked them.

Only possible player worth picking was Tavon Austin. Would have loved him, but I understand the Fisher pick. We have to defend Von Miller to compete and the OL was an abortion after last year. Just flat out terrible.

Hahahaha

"there is no room for these players because we already have good players at those positions.".

That's your logic behind taking a left tackle to replace the left tackle we already have that only gave up 1 sack last year?

Really?

Then trade down with Miami (who traded up to 3 giving up a second rounder) and take whatever is left while adding a second quality player at a position of need.

It's not like we have real needs on this team or anything...

If the argument is "we already have Hali, we don't need another pass rusher" I'd like to point out that Hali is 30 years old and Sutton likes to use creative blitz packages.

O.city · 08-20-2013, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by gochiefs(exceptQB)

Who cares? Albert IS PROVEN. You don't seem to get that.

So it's ok for him to get dominated by scrubs?

RunKC · 08-20-2013, 09:02 PM

I think people should be more concerned with Albert looking like shit than Fisher looking like shit.

Albert's a 5th year vet for christ sakes and he looks just as bad as a rookie on most of those plays.

Does he not realize that he has to look like a franchise LT to get franchise LT money?

Hammock Parties · 08-20-2013, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I think people should be more concerned with Albert looking like shit than Fisher looking like shit.

No, see, because...Albert has proven he is awesome.

I don't give a crap that Albert had a few bad plays in a preseason game because HE GAVE UP 4 SACKS IN THE LAST TWO YEARS COMBINED.

08-20-2013, 08:39 PM	#392
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1400389	Let's go through the list here. Ansah=biggest question mark in the draft. Easily a huge project player. Mingo/Jordan=no room for them to get on the field with Tamba and Houston. Milliner=No room for him. They are high on Sean Smith and he's looked solid so far. Cooper/Warmack=this is funny because these are the players that people said they'd freak out about the most had we picked them. Only possible player worth picking was Tavon Austin. Would have loved him, but I understand the Fisher pick. We have to defend Von Miller to compete and the OL was an abortion after last year. Just flat out terrible. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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08-20-2013, 08:48 PM	#395
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-525936	Richardson should have been th pick IMO but I get the fisher pick
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08-20-2013, 08:56 PM	#398
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-525936	So we have a good left tackle that has to prove he deserves a contract? Isn't that counterintuitive? Had we traded down and taken a dl, people would bitch. Same with a olb. The guy is hurt and has played 2 preseason games. He's underperformed up to this point sure, but I don't think you can necessarily expect him to be a top of the line player at his position by week 2 of the preseason. If he's an average to above average player this year and ascending, that's what you look for
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08-20-2013, 09:02 PM	#404
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1400389	I think people should be more concerned with Albert looking like shit than Fisher looking like shit. Albert's a 5th year vet for christ sakes and he looks just as bad as a rookie on most of those plays. Does he not realize that he has to look like a franchise LT to get franchise LT money? __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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