PFF: Poor game from Fisher

[Hammock Parties]

Yup. Very poor game.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...reseason-wk-2/

Rookie Rollicking

I’m not in the business of making excuses for someone, but how bad is the hand of Eric Fisher (-4.5)? I ask because his performance was of such a level and he seemed to be favoring his hand so often, that the question had to be asked: are the Chiefs doing the right thing getting him game time as opposed to letting him heal?

He had to leave the field after Will Tukuafu got the better of him with 4:05 to go in the first and yet he would return to finish out the first half. That wasn’t the only time he struggled as Ray McDonald was too powerful for him at the point of attack on the opening drive, having no problem working on his inside shoulder and getting off his blocking attempts.

In pass protection, Parys Haralson (hurry and sack), Corey Lemonier (hurry) and Ahmad Brooks (hurry with an assist from some hands to the face) all got past him, while he failed on two occasions to execute cut blocks on stretch runs.

More is expected of the first overall pick.

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Expecting your 1.1 to be a star isn't realistic? It's expected. If i wanted to draft a player for what he might be 3 years from now, i'd take a QB, not a RT.

We spent an entire offseason arguing this point and look....here we are again.

Do you truly expect him to be a star out of the gate? Dorset even said he went with the potential over readiness when he selected Fisher. This damn board wanted Fisher if we had to select a tackle.

But he struggles through the second preseason game and its abandon ****ing ship, because heaven ****ing forbid, you get called out on CP for being a homer.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

So how are the other top 4 picks of the 2013 draft doing? I ask, because those are the guys we need to be comparing Fisher to. His peers. Anyone know?

Joeckel and Lane Johnson have been better than Fisher. So has DJ Fluker.

Eric Fisher is almost the worst ranked OT on PFF right now.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Expecting your 1.1 to be a star isn't realistic? It's expected. If i wanted to draft a player for what he might be 3 years from now, i'd take a QB, not a RT.

We spent an entire offseason arguing this point and look....here we are again.

The chances of Fisher being a pro bowl calibre Tackle in year 3 are much higher than any QB in year 3. That's true fan mentaility and not one I support, but that's just fact.

Look, I want to take a chance on playmakers. Again, I'm not excited about the Fisher pick because of positional value. But I think Fisher will be an excellent Right Tackle and think it's silly to think his value is any less because he struggled early on, but became a great player in a reasonable amount of time. Even if Fisher becomes an elite Tackle, it's a terrible pick if Manuel or Geno become franchise QBs. That doesn't change regardless of how he plays early on.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by gochiefs(exceptQB)

Joeckel and Lane Johnson have been better than Fisher.

Eric Fisher is almost the worst ranked OT on PFF right now.

If any of the top 5 this year or top 10 break out this season and become stars and Fisher struggles, then we will have legitimate complaints. yes

A guy like Geno I don't care about because there was never any realistic option where he was gonna get picked top 10 by any team.

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by gochiefs(exceptQB)

Joeckel and Lane Johnson have been better than Fisher.

Eric Fisher is almost the worst ranked OT on PFF right now.

Yet CP pleaded for Fisher and not Joekel. You got your wish.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

If any of the top 5 this year or top 10 break out this season and become stars and Fisher struggles, then we will have legitimate complaints. yes

All I know is Geno and EJ Manuel better be colossal ****ing busts.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan

Yet CP pleaded for Fisher and not Joekel. You got your wish.

I didn't plead for ANY OT.

It's embarrassing right now that we appear not to have gotten the best one.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan

Yet CP pleaded for Fisher and not Joekel. You got your wish.

Ohhhhh reaaaaaaalllllyyyy?

I seem to remember few people wanting either.

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by gochiefs(exceptQB)

I didn't plead for ANY OT.

It's embarrassing right now that we appear not to have gotten the best one.

You know exactly what I meant.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by aturnis

I seriously laugh my as of at anyone who assumes Albert is gone.

This is all yet to be played out by next season & all depends on how Albert and Fisher perform this season. Albert has yet to sign an extension so his future is undetermined.


It's going be very discouraging if we take another OT in next years draft with our first pick.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Ohhhhh reaaaaaaalllllyyyy?

I seem to remember few people wanting either.

That's not what we're arguing here.

Most people didn't want a Tackle, but if we picked a Tackle, they sure as shit didn't want it to be Joeckl. Why? Not just because he's an o-lineman, but because he was a safe pick -- no upside, but a surefire "pretty good" player. When talking about linemen, Fisher was much more positively viewed by CP.

Now we're trying to re-write history and claim that if we picked any tackle, it should be the safe guy.

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Expecting your 1.1 to be a star isn't realistic? It's expected. If i wanted to draft a player for what he might be 3 years from now, i'd take a QB, not a RT.

We spent an entire offseason arguing this point and look....here we are again.

It's not difficult to understand. A LT at 1.1 doesn't really make a lot of sense anymore. But it's a forgivable draft pick if they come in and play well right off the bat and go on to be studs for a decade. Blind side protection, blah blah.

A RT at 1.1 that struggles against second stringers is ****ing infuriating.

I don't really know shit about Eric Fisher as far as his projection and supposed upside at the time of the draft went. I checked out about the time I realized the Chiefs were going to be selecting a LT at #1. Whether that was Joekel or Fisher, I didn't care. To me they were both the safe pick you take to protect your newly heralded Franchise QB once you sell Albert off.

That's how it was supposed to go down.

It didn't and they shifted the dude to RT. Which sucks to think about your franchise's only #1 overall pick being used on a RT. And then he doesn't even come out and play well. ****. Just be good.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by Pablo

It's not difficult to understand. A LT at 1.1 doesn't really make a lot of sense anymore. But it's a forgivable draft pick if they come in and play well right off the bat and go on to be studs for a decade. Blind side protection, blah blah.

A RT at 1.1 that struggles against second stringers is ****ing infuriating.

I don't really know shit about Eric Fisher as far as his projection and supposed upside at the time of the draft went. I checked out about the time I realized the Chiefs were going to be selecting a LT at #1. Whether that was Joekel or Fisher, I didn't care. To me they were both the safe pick you take to protect you newly heralded Franchise QB once you sell Albert off.

That's how it was supposed to go down.

It didn't and they shifted the dude to RT. Which sucks to think about your franchise's only #1 overall pick being used on a RT. And then he doesn't even come out and play well. ****. Just be good.

Heres the thing.....It was such a weak draft overall, there are 32 teams who would have selected Fisher or Joeckel #1 overall. It's not like the Chiefs took some huge reach like TyJack.

So I don't get why people are so upset?

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan

Do you truly expect him to be a star out of the gate? Dorset even said he went with the potential over readiness when he selected Fisher. This damn board wanted Fisher if we had to select a tackle.

But he struggles through the second preseason game and its abandon ****ing ship, because heaven ****ing forbid, you get called out on CP for being a homer.

What's with all this talk about being a "star" any damn way? Why does it have to be one extreme to the other?

How about just looking like a first overall pick? Damn right i expect the first overall to be a star, but at this point in the preseason, i expect him to look like a first overall pick.

Right now, he looks like the game is too big for him. These guys seem like they're too strong for him.

And yeah, the injury thing does bother me. He sounds about as soft as he's playing right now.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Ummmm.... You were the one that brought up "CP getting what they wanted."

Idiot.

"The same people who (even if they didn't want to draft a RT) blasted picking Joeckl over Fisher because he was safer, are the same ones bitching that Fisher is less NFL-ready than Joeckl."

When in the living **** did I say CP wanted a RT? I've said over and over that most didn't want a Tackle, but between Joeckl and Fisher, it was clear that CP preferred Fisher over Joeckl. It wasn't even close.