Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 590

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

Ceej · 08-06-2013, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop

How does one act in August when baseball matters? Remind me please!

I think a boner is mandatory.

Fansy the Famous Bard · 08-06-2013, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop

How does one act in August when baseball matters? Remind me please!

I'm so confused...

**ChiTown** · 08-06-2013, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Archie F. Swin

Unless the Royals lose 3 straight, The K will be packed to the lights this weekend.

Would be nice to average 28K for the weekend series with the BoSox - may not happen because it's a 4-game series, but it should be close. Thursday's and Sunday's games will most likely be the smallest crowds (22K), and the remaining 2 dates should average about 33K. That would probably be the biggest 4 game draw in quite some time.

Keep winning, Boys. That's all that matters.

AussieChiefsFan · 08-06-2013, 07:13 AM

If we get anywhere near the playoffs, the number of season ticket holders should go through the roof, no?

Prison Bitch · 08-06-2013, 07:14 AM

We should have great crowds this weekend given the opponent and nice weather and no school yet and winning team. But the attendance this year has been exactly the same as it always has been and this year, we actually got off to a great month of April.

Point: people who say Glass will 'open up his checkbook' if he sees more fans is not remotely true. The payrolls are now divorced from attendance anyway (it's only 1/4 gate receipts now and the rest TV etc). An extra 1M fans which would double our attendance would bring in what 15m? Enough to buy another year of Ervin Santana?

Archie F. Swin · 08-06-2013, 07:19 AM

Dayton should panhandle in front of the K this weekend so he afford to sign Santana next year.

(I damn near typed Sanchez)

mr. tegu · 08-06-2013, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan

If we get anywhere near the playoffs, the number of season ticket holders should go through the roof, no?

I plan on getting some.

**Saul Good** · 08-06-2013, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

We should have great crowds this weekend given the opponent and nice weather and no school yet and winning team. But the attendance this year has been exactly the same as it always has been and this year, we actually got off to a great month of April.

Point: people who say Glass will 'open up his checkbook' if he sees more fans is not remotely true. The payrolls are now divorced from attendance anyway (it's only 1/4 gate receipts now and the rest TV etc). An extra 1M fans which would double our attendance would bring in what 15m? Enough to buy another year of Ervin Santana?

Another million fans would bring in probably $3,000,000 just in parking, $20,000,000 in tickets, $20,000,000 in concessions, and $10,000,000 in sundry merchandise, little K revenue, etc. $50 per head should be realistic...and fans spend more on a team that wins. Then, you get sponsorships and the whole bit.

**ChiTown** · 08-06-2013, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan

If we get anywhere near the playoffs, the number of season ticket holders should go through the roof, no?

Depends. Season tickets sell when the prospects of the Team look good for the upcoming year. If the Royals make the Playoffs this year, keep the nucleus together, and have a good off-season with Player additions, then yes, Season Tickets could increase by 20+%

**Saul Good** · 08-06-2013, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Archie F. Swin

Dayton should panhandle in front of the K this weekend so he afford to sign Santana next year.

(I damn near typed Sanchez)

That would be amazing. This team has a LOT of starting pitching options for next year...with varying degrees of potential.

If we sign Santana, we would have Shields, Santana, Guthrie, Chen, Davis, Mendoza, Paulino, Duffy, Zimmer, Smith, Hochevar (yes...Hochevar), and possibly Ventura.

The top three would be set, so you would have as many as nine potential candidates for the last two spots...and I'm probably missing someone.

**Saul Good** · 08-06-2013, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

Depends. Season tickets sell when the prospects of the Team look good for the upcoming year. If the Royals make the Playoffs this year, keep the nucleus together, and have a good off-season with Player additions, then yes, Season Tickets could increase by 20+%

Who do we stand to lose besides Santana? I'm of the opinion that Tejada can at least platoon again next year, but that may be wishful thinking on my part. Beyond that, our lineup is pretty well all set to return, aren't they?

Great Expectations · 08-06-2013, 07:37 AM

After dumping Frenchy and Hoch's salary there should be some money to spend. Santana is making pretty good money this year too

Prison Bitch · 08-06-2013, 07:37 AM

I want the Duff-man in the rotation next year under any scenario, don't care who he bumps.

Chen will likely get a pretty good offer elsewhere the way he's pitched. Probably will be too pricey. I'd take him + Hoch + Frenchy and use that 14M elsewhere for sure.

**ChiTown** · 08-06-2013, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

Who do we stand to lose besides Santana? I'm of the opinion that Tejada can at least platoon again next year, but that may be wishful thinking on my part. Beyond that, our lineup is pretty well all set to return, aren't they?

I think so. Just making the point that this is what generally keeps fans interested and motivated to buy season tickets for the upcoming season.

1. Team Makes Playoffs

2. Keep Nucleus of Current Team

3. Make some key acquisitions in the off-season

4. Season Ticket Sales Increase

5. Profit

**Dartgod** · 08-06-2013, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

Depends. Season tickets sell when the prospects of the Team look good for the upcoming year. If the Royals make the Playoffs this year, keep the nucleus together, and have a good off-season with Player additions, then yes, Season Tickets could increase by 20+%

I don't think we necessarily have to make the playoffs to see a big increase in ST sales.

As long as we stay competitive and finish around 10 or so games over .500 (86+ wins), we will see the jump.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1889692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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Prison Bitch Rabbi Goldmann Join Date: Nov 2012 Casino cash: $5450159	We should have great crowds this weekend given the opponent and nice weather and no school yet and winning team. But the attendance this year has been exactly the same as it always has been and this year, we actually got off to a great month of April. Point: people who say Glass will 'open up his checkbook' if he sees more fans is not remotely true. The payrolls are now divorced from attendance anyway (it's only 1/4 gate receipts now and the rest TV etc). An extra 1M fans which would double our attendance would bring in what 15m? Enough to buy another year of Ervin Santana?
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08-06-2013, 07:37 AM	#8848
Prison Bitch Rabbi Goldmann Join Date: Nov 2012 Casino cash: $5450159	I want the Duff-man in the rotation next year under any scenario, don't care who he bumps. Chen will likely get a pretty good offer elsewhere the way he's pitched. Probably will be too pricey. I'd take him + Hoch + Frenchy and use that 14M elsewhere for sure.
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