Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 530

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

Prison Bitch · 07-29-2013, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Howie Kendrick should be the main target anyways.

Of course. He's soooo much better than that Altuve option people were throwing out earlier.

**RockChalk** · 07-29-2013, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Howie Kendrick should be the main target anyways.

Dutton tweeted out earlier that the asking price for him is an MLB-ready starting pitcher. If they'd take Ventura, you have to pull the trigger on that

**alnorth** · 07-29-2013, 01:04 PM

The decision has been made. Several national reporters are reporting today that the Royals will not sell. Our asking price for Santana is sky-high. The only way we trade anyone of significance is if we believe it'll help us both this year and 2014.

**Saul Good** · 07-29-2013, 01:09 PM

This is why a GM should never be on the hot seat. He's managing his job, not the team's best interests. He should be extended or fired.

**ChiTown** · 07-29-2013, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

The decision has been made. Several national reporters are reporting today that the Royals will not sell. Our asking price for Santana is sky-high. The only way we trade anyone of significance is if we believe it'll help us both this year and 2014.

Fine, and I am great with that. However, if we aren't selling, we damn sure better be buying to get better at 2B, and maybe outfield. Standing pat would be a BS statement to the Players and Fans.

BigCatDaddy · 07-29-2013, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

Fine, and I am great with that. However, if we aren't selling, we damn sure better be buying to get better at 2B, and maybe outfield. Standing pat would be a BS statement to the Players and Fans.

I HIGHLY doubt we make a move for an OF'er, but if there is a 2nd baseman available and the price isn't crazy we HAVE to make that move.

DJJasonp · 07-29-2013, 01:22 PM

MLB network said it last night and I tend to agree....

Sometimes the best moves are the ones you don't make.

I don't want to give up zimmer or Ventura. And I like lough over rios at this point.

If you somehow can convince ownership to pony up the dollars to resign Santana for one year.....and get an upgrade at 2b either via a Santana-like trade in the offseason, or via free agency.....I think you have enough to make a serious run in 2014.

siberian khatru · 07-29-2013, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DJJasonp

MLB network said it last night and I tend to agree....

Sometimes the best moves are the ones you don't make.

I don't want to give up zimmer or Ventura. And I like lough over rios at this point.

If you somehow can convince ownership to pony up the dollars to resign Santana for one year.....and get an upgrade at 2b either via a Santana-like trade in the offseason, or via free agency.....I think you have enough to make a serious run in 2014.

Why would Santana sign for one year here when he can get multiple years on the open market?

Prison Bitch · 07-29-2013, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

This is why a GM should never be on the hot seat. He's managing his job, not the team's best interests. He should be extended or fired.

Every employee should be on the hot seat. Every one.

Prison Bitch · 07-29-2013, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Why would Santana sign for one year here when he can get multiple years on the open market?

He won't take a 1 year deal, it's fantasy by our fans.

siberian khatru · 07-29-2013, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

He won't.

Exactly.

DJJasonp · 07-29-2013, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

He won't take a 1 year deal, it's fantasy by our fans.

Which is fine ....and with his history of up and down years.....maybe Duffy or Ventura or whoever steps in and puts up stats close to his.

This team needs to win games. Period.

Have to change the culture of expecting to lose......with much of our eggs in 2014's basket.....that's why it's even more important to win this year in August and September....more so than previous years when the outlook was routinely much worse.

BigCatDaddy · 07-29-2013, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJJasonp

MLB network said it last night and I tend to agree....

Sometimes the best moves are the ones you don't make.

I don't want to give up zimmer or Ventura. And I like lough over rios at this point.

If you somehow can convince ownership to pony up the dollars to resign Santana for one year.....and get an upgrade at 2b either via a Santana-like trade in the offseason, or via free agency.....I think you have enough to make a serious run in 2014.

How are you related to Chris Getz?

**ChiTown** · 07-29-2013, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I HIGHLY doubt we make a move for an OF'er, but if there is a 2nd baseman available and the price isn't crazy we HAVE to make that move.

If you can get a power bat in the OF (which I doubt), you take it. Otherwise, we should be focusing all our efforts on getting better at 2B

DJJasonp · 07-29-2013, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

How are you related to Chris Getz?

Other than hoping for a Santana one year deal (which he already said he would be open to).....what did you disagree with?

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1889692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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Saul Good Quit your bullshit Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bored of winning Casino cash: $10052799	This is why a GM should never be on the hot seat. He's managing his job, not the team's best interests. He should be extended or fired. __________________ Today is not a good day to be a pussy.
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DJJasonp My work speaks for itself!!! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: So Cal Casino cash: $-1654800	MLB network said it last night and I tend to agree.... Sometimes the best moves are the ones you don't make. I don't want to give up zimmer or Ventura. And I like lough over rios at this point. If you somehow can convince ownership to pony up the dollars to resign Santana for one year.....and get an upgrade at 2b either via a Santana-like trade in the offseason, or via free agency.....I think you have enough to make a serious run in 2014. __________________ Its easier to fool a man, than to convince a man he's been fooled.
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