2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread

[duncan_idaho]

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

[Al Bundy]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Why don't you care about the Rays? It's a peer franchise. We hired Dayton in May 2006 and ended up 62-100. The Rays went 61-100. In 2007 we won 69 and they won 66. About even right?


Five years since, they've gone to the playoffs 4 times including the WS and averaged 92 wins per year. Explain to me why Dayton is still spinning his wheels in his 8th year now when Tampa (with lower payrolls every year) is able to keep winning? How can they "re-build" trading off Shields and getting nothing from Myers and be this good?

They hit on several pitchers, plus they picked first in the David Price draft. Their GM is far better than DM.

[tk13]

That's why while complaining about Glass isn't necessarily "wrong"... there are several teams... teams like Tampa, Cleveland, Colorado, Pittsburgh, Oakland and on and on... that have done more with less money. And that doesn't even include the record spending in the draft and Latin America. If Glass wanted to come out and give everyone a middle finger and tell Dayton he's been given a lot more than other "small" markets... he'd be right.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by tk13

That's why while complaining about Glass isn't necessarily "wrong"... there are several teams... teams like Tampa, Cleveland, Colorado, Pittsburgh, Oakland and on and on... that have done more with less money. And that doesn't even include the record spending in the draft and Latin America. If Glass wanted to come out and give everyone a middle finger and tell Dayton he's been given a lot more than other "small" markets... he'd be right.

Funny how we do everything opposite of Oakland..

Billy Beane: No bunts...a bunt is an out..

Ned Yost: Bunt him over....

Billy Beane: Take more..if you get on base we win. If you don't, we lose

Ned Yost: See pitch, swing at pitch...WTF is a walk, anyway?

[Ceej]

Anyone care to explain how Greg Holland got into the ASG over Jim Johnson?

What a travesty.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Funny how we do everything opposite of Oakland..

Billy Beane: No bunts...a bunt is an out..

Ned Yost: Bunt him over....

Billy Beane: Take more..if you get on base we win. If you don't, we lose

Ned Yost: See pitch, swing at pitch...WTF is a walk, anyway?

It's not just Yost. The no walk and no patience at the plate thing dates back over 20+ years. It's a decades long organizational fail. But yea, Yost is still a sh*t sandwhich.

[C3HIEF3S]

Zimmer promoted to AA.

[siberian khatru]

Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S

Zimmer promoted to AA.

His last four starts: 24 IP, 14 H, 5 ER, 3 BB, 36 K

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by tk13

That's why while complaining about Glass isn't necessarily "wrong"... there are several teams... teams like Tampa, Cleveland, Colorado, Pittsburgh, Oakland and on and on... that have done more with less money. And that doesn't even include the record spending in the draft and Latin America. If Glass wanted to come out and give everyone a middle finger and tell Dayton he's been given a lot more than other "small" markets... he'd be right.

WHile much of what you say is accurate, glASS is DM's boss so he can't point that middle finger into the mirror.

It's simple, he hires people with certain traits. IOW, he like the manegarial version of Rex Hud! He requires yes-men who A) remember their place, and B) no matter what, they're making tons of money for an irrelevant game.

So once again, glASS, his son, and I suspect the whole group who gather around his turkey on Thanks Giving day, are ****ing asshole pieces of shit and whore-ass bitches who are the scum of the earth, the puss in the festering wound... And glASS owns this train wreck because he hired the people who hired the people who hired the people who hire the players.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Al Bundy

They hit on several pitchers, plus they picked first in the David Price draft. Their GM is far better than DM.

Why can't we "hit" on several pitchers? We picked 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5, 9 under Moore and what the hell did we get? Eric Hosmer, a fat-ass 3B who sucks, a middle reliever who sucks, and a 2B who's fat and stuck in AAA because he sucks.


Seriously let me take over for 8 years. I probably won't win shit but I'll get you 70 wins per year like Dayton did, just by random roster management and drafting in order of BB America's rankings.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by CJizzles

Anyone care to explain how Greg Holland got into the ASG over Jim Johnson?

What a travesty.

Why exactly would Johnson get in over Holland? Because he has more saves?

[WhawhaWhat]

Originally Posted by CJizzles

Anyone care to explain how Greg Holland got into the ASG over Jim Johnson?

What a travesty.

Holland 35 IP, 21 H, 11 BBs, 60 Ks, 0.914 WHIP
Johnson 43.2 IP, 42 H, 14 BBs, 36 Ks, 1.282 WHIP

Holland averages slightly lower HRs and BBs per 9. He also more than doubles Johnson in Ks per 9.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

Holland 35 IP, 21 H, 11 BBs, 60 Ks, 0.914 WHIP
Johnson 43.2 IP, 42 H, 14 BBs, 36 Ks, 1.282 WHIP

Holland averages slightly lower HRs and BBs per 9. He also more than doubles Johnson in Ks per 9.

We know. He was simply mocking ChiefandO's douche.

[Al Bundy]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Why can't we "hit" on several pitchers? We picked 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5, 9 under Moore and what the hell did we get? Eric Hosmer, a fat-ass 3B who sucks, a middle reliever who sucks, and a 2B who's fat and stuck in AAA because he sucks.


Seriously let me take over for 8 years. I probably won't win shit but I'll get you 70 wins per year like Dayton did, just by random roster management and drafting in order of BB America's rankings.

My second sentence says it all.

[Ceej]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

We know. He was simply mocking ChiefandO's douche.

I figured it was pretty obvious.

[siberian khatru]

Kelvin Herrera's last four outings in Omaha: 10.1 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 2 BB, 14 K

He hasn't given up a hit in his last 7.1 IP, and he hasn't had a baserunner in his last 4 IP.