Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 473

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

WhawhaWhat · 07-14-2013, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Non leverage situations, just like Hochy

Sure but he has a 3.38 ERA with 5.2 K/9 and 2.5 BB/9 in 25 relief appearances this season. Plus he can throw 95 mph. Someone will take a shot.

GloryDayz · 07-14-2013, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Can't ****ing fire an owner though man? Glass is the WORST owner, trust me i know this...

This fanbase lives off of hope. Fact is that GMDM has done a crap job of making the best farm system in the majors into the A's of MLB, thats what the Royals should be.

All we have left in this city is bitching, please don't suggest we leave one guy out because there's nothing that will ever force him to sell or do something meaningful to have his team succeed. Much like the Hunt family, he's a greedy **** and should garner bad press at every turn. Those close to him should be allowed to hear the honest opinions of others so that when they're close to him, they can at least, if only silently, question the man. Someday, one of those people who is close to him will ask him why, other than being rich, he's such a loser. At some point in time I hope one of those people won't be a whore to the man and decide that sucking off his financial teet is their only option, and break ranks. So I think the open and honest public criticism needs to continue to feed that person the information they need to have that hopefully-not-private conversation with the ogre. The sooner one of those being paid hush-money of sorts breaks ranks, the sooner we might be a winning team.

At a minimum glASS should have the balls to be very public, and relentless in the media, with the sport's lack of sensible pay structure. I wonder how many weekly rants in the media from an owner it would take before the owners would try to vote him off the island. It ould be more fun to watch than his team is most of the time... And MY tax dollars go into the stadium where THAT team plays, so telling us to just not follow the team is bullshit. If my tax dollars support it, I can bitch about it. If he doesn't like it, move the ****ing team (regardless of his agreement).

I might suggest, if there's one thing worse, or equal to, baseball's lack of some sensible and enforceable salary equality is that there's nothing that can be done about deadbeat owners like glASS.

GloryDayz · 07-14-2013, 09:19 AM

And good morning....

Prison Bitch · 07-14-2013, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by CJizzles

I could give two ****ing shits about the Rays.

Unless, they brought Canseco back.

Why don't you care about the Rays? It's a peer franchise. We hired Dayton in May 2006 and ended up 62-100. The Rays went 61-100. In 2007 we won 69 and they won 66. About even right?

Five years since, they've gone to the playoffs 4 times including the WS and averaged 92 wins per year. Explain to me why Dayton is still spinning his wheels in his 8th year now when Tampa (with lower payrolls every year) is able to keep winning? How can they "re-build" trading off Shields and getting nothing from Myers and be this good?

mr. tegu · 07-14-2013, 01:27 PM

At least we no longer have to worry about watching what other teams do.

tk13 · 07-14-2013, 08:11 PM

We at least got a mention on Sunday Night Baseball. Talking about 2nd half schedules and how the Braves only have 19 games against teams with winning records and don't go west again.

Meanwhile, the Royals will have a stretch where they play 44 games in 44 days due to rainouts, then around the end of that stretch, play the Indians and Tigers for two solid weeks. So, we've got that going for us.

Nightfyre · 07-14-2013, 08:15 PM

I think at this point we need to concede that we are sellers and get what we can for Hoch/Chen/Santana.

**petegz28** · 07-14-2013, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

I think at this point we need to concede that we are sellers and get what we can for Hoch/Chen/Santana.

Unfortunately I have to agree. This team just lacks any kind of hunger. If they don't they surely don't display it.

Deberg_1990 · 07-14-2013, 08:25 PM

My guess is the team doesn't do anything and stands pat.

**DeezNutz** · 07-14-2013, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

My guess is the team doesn't do anything and stands pat.

Or it's going to expend more resources in an effort to win in '14.

GMs who trade the top prospect in baseball for a pitcher with two years of control don't fold shop at the break in year one. This is going to be about DM covering his incompetent ass.

Titty Meat · 07-14-2013, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Or it's going to expend more resources in an effort to win in '14.

GMs who trade the top prospect in baseball for a pitcher with two years of control don't fold shop at the break in year one. This is going to be about DM covering his incompetent ass.

More Jose Guillens and Mike Jacobs on the way?

**petegz28** · 07-14-2013, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

More Jose Guillens and Mike Jacobs on the way?

.OBP be damned, I say!

**petegz28** · 07-14-2013, 08:48 PM

cosmo20002 · 07-14-2013, 08:50 PM

Didn't see this posted...

Holland named to All-Star team as a replacement. So, that's 3 Royals All-Stars. Been awhile--1988.

**petegz28** · 07-14-2013, 08:51 PM

Yo, Dayton...how about a look at a real process? BTW, pass this on to that dumb **** manager of yours...

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1889692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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