Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 466

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

tk13 · 07-13-2013, 12:00 PM

Lumping Moose in with guys like Cain and Kila isn't really accurate. Moose is on another level as a prospect... and he would be regardless of the team he belonged to. Plus, he hit 20 HRs last year at 23 years old. Way too early to throw the bust label on him yet.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-13-2013, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Rick Ankiel will win 20+games annually!

That one stung. Fortunately, the Cardinals are able to replace their Section 8 pitchers.

**DeezNutz** · 07-13-2013, 12:01 PM

Hosmer and Myers will be the real case studies in terms of player development. Moore's biggest problem, it seems, is that he doesn't seem to scout particularly well at the college ranks (Colon, Hochevar, Crow, etc.).

This deficiency was masked by the fact that he had a metric shit ton of high picks, artificially inflating the rankings of the system.

Hosmer and Myers, however, were considered elite prospects by pretty much everyone. Should they fail, player development will have to be the bane.

Ceej · 07-13-2013, 12:02 PM

I've resigned to the fact that the Chiefs/Royals are going to be mediocre the next 50+ years of my life.

I don't need fans of rival teams to come in here to continue to bash my brains in. It hurts enough as it is!

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-13-2013, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13

Lumping Moose in with guys like Cain and Kila isn't really accurate. Moose is on another level as a prospect... and he would be regardless of the team he belonged to. Plus, he hit 20 HRs last year at 23 years old. Way too early to throw the bust label on him yet.

That's fair, but would it be reasonable to call him a disappointment relative to his hype?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-13-2013, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CJizzles

I've resigned to the fact that the Chiefs/Royals are going to be mediocre the next 50+ years of my life.

I don't need fans of rival teams to come in here to continue to bash my brains in. It hurts enough as it is!

That's not why I was in this thread. TBH, I respect a lot of Royals fans like duncan_idaho, DeezNutz, lewdog and many others who know what they're looking at and can view the game analytically.

The reason why I jumped into this fray is because some disphit claimed that the Cardinals should trade for Greg Holland and Ervin Santana, giving up Taveras in the process. Then another dipshit claimed Salvador Perez was worth more than the Cardinals' entire farm system.

That kind of wanton idiocy cannot be tolerated. Were I Stalin, those ****ers would have been immediately collectivized into biomass for the compost heap.

tk13 · 07-13-2013, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That's fair, but would it be reasonable to call him a disappointment relative to his hype?

No doubt about that. Especially in year 3. But there's a huge list of guys who don't really break out until 26/27 years old. You can still see he has power... it's not like he's Sean Burroughs or something.

**lewdog** · 07-13-2013, 12:07 PM

Hey Hamas, let us enjoy our misery in peace.

!

Three7s · 07-13-2013, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That's fair, but would it be reasonable to call him a disappointment relative to his hype?

Yes, unless he can start figuring out how to be quicker to the ball and use the whole field.

Ceej · 07-13-2013, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That's not why I was in this thread. TBH, I respect a lot of Royals fans like duncan_idaho, DeezNutz, lewdog and many others who know what they're looking at and can view the game analytically.

The reason why I jumped into this fray is because some disphit claimed that the Cardinals should trade for Greg Holland and Ervin Santana, giving up Taveras in the process. Then another dipshit claimed Salvador Perez was worth more than the Cardinals' entire farm system.

That kind of wanton idiocy cannot be tolerated. Were I Stalin, those ****ers would have been immediately collectivized into biomass for the compost heap.

I know you're a good dude. And I don't dislike many if any of you Cardinals fans - just Cards fans who are also Mizzou fans.

If one of the dipshits you're referring to has the initials "PB" you should probably ignore him forever. He's wrong more often than not. So, I would no longer expend any effort conversing with him.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-13-2013, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13

No doubt about that. Especially in year 3. But there's a huge list of guys who don't really break out until 26/27 years old. You can still see he has power... it's not like he's Sean Burroughs or something.

He has power, but I wonder if it's more than 25 HR power. I'd be far more concerned by his batting approach. Dude hits a lot of groundballs, doesn't hit an overwhelming number of his flyballs out, and his LD% is pretty average.

Deberg_1990 · 07-13-2013, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That one stung. Fortunately, the Cardinals are able to replace their Section 8 pitchers.

Heh, yea no doubt. Honestly, there is no reason the Royals can't be more like the Cards. The difference is ownership and management. The small market excuse doesn't fly anymore.

The Royals are just a dysfunctional organization top to bottom.

cumshotguru · 07-13-2013, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That's not why I was in this thread. TBH, I respect a lot of Royals fans like duncan_idaho, DeezNutz, lewdog and many others who know what they're looking at and can view the game analytically.

The reason why I jumped into this fray is because some disphit claimed that the Cardinals should trade for Greg Holland and Ervin Santana, giving up Taveras in the process. Then another dipshit claimed Salvador Perez was worth more than the Cardinals' entire farm system.

That kind of wanton idiocy cannot be tolerated. Were I Stalin, those ****ers would have been immediately collectivized into biomass for the compost heap.

Whew good thing you're not Stalin.

Prison Bitch · 07-13-2013, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Now is the point where I inject some nuance, so prepare for your pea brain to explode.

Carlos Beltran hit .275 in 2006. He also got on-base at a .388 clip and hit 41 homers.

Anyone would take that over .300 and 25.

Taveras' batting stroke projects to a .280-.310 hitter and he has easy 25 HR power. He's also a fairly disciplined hitter with good command of the strike zone. I'd damn sure take a guy hitting .270 in a year with bad BABIP luck over a guy hitting .290 and walking three percent of the time (like one of your personal saviors) if player A is walking three times and often.

I'll put it this way: Taveras projects as an .850+ OPS corner outfielder with plus defense, or the ability to play center.

And given the Cardinals' recent history of developing their players, I'll trust that projection, although I understand why Royals fans would be jaundiced, as you've pimped the likes of Kila Kai'huae, Mike Moustakas, Lorenzo Cain, Alcides Escobar, and countless others as difference makers, not AAAA players.

Ok, sure, he will waltz in and do 850 OPS every year. Just like Oriole fans said Dylan Bundy would win 15 every year, on and on.

Sorry but I don't ever "pimp" anyone. If you read the KU tread I'm even cautious about Andrew freakin Wiggins. Players have to accomplish something before I worship them, but sadly you're different. That's why you are a homer.

**DeezNutz** · 07-13-2013, 12:17 PM

Moose hits a ****ing ton of pop-ups that stay on the infield. His IF/FB percentages have been 27%, 22%, and 21% in his three years; the ML average is 13%.

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duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1889692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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