Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 462

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

Nightfyre · 07-12-2013, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

2) And Oscar Taveras is more valuable than any two players in the entire Royals organization.

Absolutely false.

sedated · 07-12-2013, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

We certainly aren't the favorites but I can't believe people are just willing to give up at 43-47. Especially with a starting staff that can deliver. You don't even have to get crazy hot, you're one 17-10 type stretch from contending.

That depends on what they do with the bottom 2 starters. They are sticking with Wade Davies all year, even with his 6 ERA. A second starter who gives up games in the first 5 innings means we have to win all of the top 3's starts. And we dont have the offense to do that.

Perfect recipe for a .500 team.

Mizzou_8541 · 07-12-2013, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish

HOMERS KILL RALLEYS!!!

I missed this original quote. Can someone explain who said this and the context? I assume is was Maloof or the other former hitting coach explaining why we don't hit home runs?

tk13 · 07-12-2013, 10:23 PM

Detroit only won 88 games last year, and Verlander isn't close to the same pitcher, their bullpen has holes, their defense isn't great, and their only elite elite offensive player is basically Cabrera. There's nothing saying Hosmer and Butler and Gordon couldn't have big second halves either. Detroit's certainly the favorite though, no doubt. I hate the idea of giving up, just hate it. I think it's soft. It would fit our culture of losing though.

tk13 · 07-12-2013, 10:26 PM

Speaking of offense, Ibanez has two more homers tonight. Amazing. 24 HR.

Brianfo · 07-12-2013, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Absolutely false.

He's a ****ing idiot. Don't call him out on it.

siberian khatru · 07-12-2013, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

Detroit only won 88 games last year, and Verlander isn't close to the same pitcher, their bullpen has holes, their defense isn't great, and their only elite elite offensive player is basically Cabrera. There's nothing saying Hosmer and Butler and Gordon couldn't have big second halves either. Detroit's certainly the favorite though, no doubt. I hate the idea of giving up, just hate it. I think it's soft. It would fit our culture of losing though.

As Sam Mellinger says, Royals fans come by their skepticism and cynicism honestly.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-12-2013, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Absolutely false.

It's absolutely true.

Your two most valuable players are Shields and Gordon, and there is no way that I'd trade Taveras for them, because I'm taking on 18 million in salary and Taveras has six years of cost control left.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-12-2013, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianfo

That's all you got. Seriously. Bring some smack or go to bed.

Shouldn't you be off fashioning a hangman's noose or mixing up a vat of bleach and ammonia in an unventilated room?

tk13 · 07-12-2013, 10:37 PM

Well I don't disagree with that. But still, three days ago this team was one game under .500 and had the best record in baseball over the last month, or whatever that stat was.

Definitely think we need to pull something out of the fire here this weekend though. Going into the break 6 games under .500 would be bad.

Deberg_1990 · 07-12-2013, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

As Sam Mellinger says, Royals fans come by their skepticism and cynicism honestly.

This. No reason to trust this franchise at all.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-12-2013, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

Detroit only won 88 games last year, and Verlander isn't close to the same pitcher, their bullpen has holes, their defense isn't great, and their only elite elite offensive player is basically Cabrera. There's nothing saying Hosmer and Butler and Gordon couldn't have big second halves either. Detroit's certainly the favorite though, no doubt. I hate the idea of giving up, just hate it. I think it's soft. It would fit our culture of losing though.

Detroit is an elite offensive team with terrible, terrible defense and a horrific bullpen. People look at their counting stats and think they're some kind of juggernaut. They're not

Nightfyre · 07-12-2013, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

It's absolutely true.

Your two most valuable players are Shields and Gordon, and there is no way that I'd trade Taveras for them, because I'm taking on 18 million in salary and Taveras has six years of cost control left.

Maybe you forgot just how "valuable" prospects are. Wil Myers wasn't enough to fetch James Shields. And Wil Myers was a higher rated prospect than Tavares. Furthermore, Salvador Perez is worth more than your entire farm system. And we have more years of cost control with him.

**DeezNutz** · 07-12-2013, 11:13 PM

I think that Detroit lacks an elite closer, and they're this piece away from running away and hiding from the division.

The Tigers are 2nd in MLB in runs scored, and 12th in runs allowed (only 20 more runs than the Royals).

KC doesn't score enough runs, in my view, to be taken seriously. And I believe we're going to see a staff (with Guthrie relying upon magic and a shit back end of the rotation) start to normalize. This is reality to me, not being soft.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-12-2013, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Maybe you forgot just how "valuable" prospects are. Wil Myers wasn't enough to fetch James Shields. And Wil Myers was a higher rated prospect than Tavares. Furthermore, Salvador Perez is worth more than your entire farm system. And we have more years of cost control with him.

That's the dumbest ****ing post in a thread of dumb ****ing posts.

Salvador Perez and his 3.8 WAR projection aren't worth Taveras alone.

Your terrible GM is not a barometer of good trades. The same guy who traded away two years of Greinke's service to Doug Melvin for Alcides Escobar and Lorenzo Cain when Melvin got Jean Segura for two months of Greinke probably shouldn't be judging Wil Myers' value.

Your dumbass would kill for Taveras, Wacha, Kolten Wong, and Carlos Martinez. That's not to mention the wave of rookies that have just come up from that farm system: Rosenthal, Siegrist, Matt Adams, and Shelby Miller.

Christ, Shelby Miller has been better than any Royals player this year.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1889692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1657500	Detroit only won 88 games last year, and Verlander isn't close to the same pitcher, their bullpen has holes, their defense isn't great, and their only elite elite offensive player is basically Cabrera. There's nothing saying Hosmer and Butler and Gordon couldn't have big second halves either. Detroit's certainly the favorite though, no doubt. I hate the idea of giving up, just hate it. I think it's soft. It would fit our culture of losing though.
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tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1657500	Speaking of offense, Ibanez has two more homers tonight. Amazing. 24 HR.
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tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1657500	Well I don't disagree with that. But still, three days ago this team was one game under .500 and had the best record in baseball over the last month, or whatever that stat was. Definitely think we need to pull something out of the fire here this weekend though. Going into the break 6 games under .500 would be bad.
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