Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 403

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

mr. tegu · 06-19-2013, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cookster50

I haven't looked at the numbers, but generally a player like this has steep splits that favor one side, which means you cannot just say "give him a full season and he'll hit like this" because it would really be much worse.

Are you talking about batting left vs right? If so, given the differences in ABs the numbers are basically the exact same as far as totals for HRs, etc. The only big difference is in BA. Batting right is .199 and left is .248. Interestingly though, the OBP is .282 and .287 respectively.

Nightfyre · 06-19-2013, 12:41 PM

Would four years of Greg Holland be enough to net a prospect like Castellanos or Tavares?

duncan_idaho · 06-19-2013, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Would four years of Greg Holland be enough to net a prospect like Castellanos or Tavares?

No.

Relievers just don't have that much value, unless you're selling to a team that's desperate at the deadline. And even then, you're doing good to get a top 100 prospect, let alone a top 25 or top 5 guy.

Mama Hip Rockets · 06-19-2013, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu

I agree. Given our options, unless we actually make a significant move to improve, for the forseeable future Johnson has to play more than Getz.

Yeah, I absolutely agree he should be playing instead of Getz. But it's like saying Brady Quinn should play over Matt Cassel. We need a real player.

duncan_idaho · 06-19-2013, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by thurman merman

Yeah, I absolutely agree he should be playing instead of Getz. But it's like saying Brady Quinn should play over Matt Cassel. We need a real player.

I'd like to see them upgrade at 2B both defensively and offensively (from Getz, anyway - hard to imagine an upgrade from Johnson's D). But I can live with Johnson playing 2B if they acquire a RF with some thump.

Alex Rios + Johnson would be more attractive to me than, say, any 2B-David Lough (or Jarrod Dyson playing everyday in CF with Cain in RF) combo that doesn't involve Chase Utley.

DJ's left nut · 06-19-2013, 01:49 PM

Johnson would've gotten that bunt down.

Free Elliot Johnson!!!

Pitt Gorilla · 06-19-2013, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I'd like to see them upgrade at 2B both defensively and offensively (from Getz, anyway - hard to imagine an upgrade from Johnson's D). But I can live with Johnson playing 2B if they acquire a RF with some thump.

Alex Rios + Johnson would be more attractive to me than, say, any 2B-David Lough (or Jarrod Dyson playing everyday in CF with Cain in RF) combo that doesn't involve Chase Utley.

I haven't paid any attention to Rios, but wasn't he a giveaway just a few years ago?

WhawhaWhat · 06-19-2013, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

I haven't paid any attention to Rios, but wasn't he a giveaway just a few years ago?

That had a lot to due with his contract. 7 yrs for $70 million for a guy that was good but not great. The Blue Jays regretted that contact the moment it was signed.

Bambi · 06-19-2013, 02:30 PM

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duncan_idaho · 06-19-2013, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

I haven't paid any attention to Rios, but wasn't he a giveaway just a few years ago?

Yes, the White Sox got him for basically nothing. I don't remember if it was here or elsewhere, but I was contending the Royals should put in a claim on him at that time.

He had a bad year in Toronto and was easier to dump than Vernon Wells, so they dumped him.

mr. tegu · 06-19-2013, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Yes, the White Sox got him for basically nothing. I don't remember if it was here or elsewhere, but I was contending the Royals should put in a claim on him at that time.

He had a bad year in Toronto and was easier to dump than Vernon Wells, so they dumped him.

Any chance they try to get rid of him at the trade deadline?

mr. tegu · 06-19-2013, 02:53 PM

If we can manage to get in a real race with the Tigers we will have to have a Tigers thread where we root for them to lose.

WhawhaWhat · 06-19-2013, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

Any chance they try to get rid of him at the trade deadline?

Here is his contract info:

2013 32 Chicago White Sox $12,500,000
2014 33 Chicago White Sox $12,500,000
2015 34 Chicago White Sox $13,500,000*

*$13.5M Team Option, $1M Buyout, Trade escalates 2015 option by $500k.

Slim chance unless the Sox pick up a part of the contract.

Three7s · 06-19-2013, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Johnson would've gotten that bunt down.

Free Elliot Johnson!!!

He's a hell of a lot better than Getz. No argument there.

duncan_idaho · 06-19-2013, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

Any chance they try to get rid of him at the trade deadline?

He's been floated as a real trade option. They're a long way from contention and need to blow some things up and bring in more fresh, young talent.

No idea what the asking price will be, though.

He'd make a hell of a lot of sense and probably is better than any RF options available in FA this offseason (Hunter Pence is the only guy who really is close).

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