Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 363

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

siberian khatru · 06-05-2013, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S

Hosmer getting a shot in the 2 spot tonight. Perez 3rd, Esky 9th. Didn't catch the entire lineup.

It really doesn't matter much, because you're basically trying to hide too many bad bats in the lineup. You can do that with one, maybe two, but 5-6 is too many.

Having said that, Hos at 2 and Esky at 9 makes sense -- finally.

siberian khatru · 06-05-2013, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toadkiller

Lineup tonight:
1. Gordon
2. Hosmer
3. Perez
4. Butler
5. Moustakas
6. Cain
7. Lough
8. Getz
9. Escobar

How about flipping Moose and Lough?

But like I said ... too many dead spots to really make a difference.

**gblowfish** · 06-05-2013, 03:03 PM

KK was railing on Glass with Jack Harry this afternoon. Saying the guy who owns Sporting should buy the Royals.

True, Glass has been total suck as an owner. But I trust KK as far as I can throw his Lasik altered, wife leaving ass.

I'll bet he'd love to stir up the shit, have Sporting buy the Royals so he could get the radio rights away from Entercom. And every time you hear him talk to anybody in authority, whether that's David or Dan Glass, or Clark Hunt, he turns into a softball lobbing kiss ass.

What a douche.

Mama Hip Rockets · 06-05-2013, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

"YOU CAN'T SEE ME!"

Oh, yes we can, Chris. Yes we can.

Hahaha. What a loser.

**gblowfish** · 06-05-2013, 03:05 PM

At this point it doesn't matter. Draw the lineup out of a hat. Hosmer looked totally lost at the plate last night. He and Moose both need to spend from now till the All Star Break in either NW Arkansas or Omaha. I'd send them both to Springdale and make them earn their way up to Omaha. This season is toast, so it really doesn't matter. Play Billay at first, Tejada at third for the next six or seven weeks. Who cares?

Halfcan · 06-05-2013, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toadkiller

Lineup tonight:
1. Gordon
2. Hosmer
3. Perez
4. Butler
5. Moustakas
6. Cain
7. Lough
8. Getz
9. Escobar

Butler won't be seeing any good pitches with Mouse hitting behind him. I don't understand why you dont put your good hitters together and HOPE they do something. The rest of the line up are pop ups, strike outs and maybe an ocassional easy fly to the out field.

Gordon was dominating at #3 why not leave him there??

jbwm89 · 06-05-2013, 03:23 PM

I threw this question at Rany on twitter: If the Rangers offered you Profar for Shields and Mondesi would you do it? and if the answer is no what about Santana and Mondesi?

ChiefsCountry · 06-05-2013, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbwm89

I threw this question at Rany on twitter: If the Rangers offered you Profar for Shields and Mondesi would you do it? and if the answer is no what about Santana and Mondesi?

Shields I would be on the fence, the Santana deal in a heart beat.

jbwm89 · 06-05-2013, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Shields I would be on the fence, the Santana deal in a heart beat.

That is where I am as well. I would pull the trigger on the Shields deal if I new the owner was willing to go get another pitcher next year in FA. It would have to be FA since there wouldn't be much in the farm system.

Then your rotation could look like:

FA
Guthrie
Ventura
Duffy/Paulino/Davis/Dozer

Prison Bitch · 06-05-2013, 03:51 PM

Why in the world would Texas trade the #1 prospect in all of MLB (and who's playing fine in his first year of MLB at a premium position) for 1/2 season of Gopher-Ball Santana and an A ball project?

C3HIEF3S · 06-05-2013, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Why in the world would Texas trade the #1 prospect in all of MLB (and who's playing fine in his first year of MLB at a premium position) for 1/2 season of Gopher-Ball Santana and an A ball project?

This

mr. tegu · 06-05-2013, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Butler won't be seeing any good pitches with Mouse hitting behind him. I don't understand why you dont put your good hitters together and HOPE they do something. The rest of the line up are pop ups, strike outs and maybe an ocassional easy fly to the out field.

Gordon was dominating at #3 why not leave him there??

We were 17-10 before Gordon moved to third in the lineup. Just saying.

jbwm89 · 06-05-2013, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Why in the world would Texas trade the #1 prospect in all of MLB (and who's playing fine in his first year of MLB at a premium position) for 1/2 season of Gopher-Ball Santana and an A ball project?

Doubt they would, the Shields trade isn't that unrealistic though. I would say Mondesi is a little more than an A ball project.

Prison Bitch · 06-05-2013, 04:07 PM

Texas has the best rotation in the AL, and they currently lead the league in ERA as it is. Not sure why they'd deal for Shields.

jbwm89 · 06-05-2013, 04:09 PM

Read a yahoo article which made me wonder what I would do if they offered. I apologize for not meeting your discussion criteria. I'll make sure to do better next time.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/james-s...151500115.html

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1889692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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06-05-2013, 03:03 PM	#5433
gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $16896178 VARSITY	KK was railing on Glass with Jack Harry this afternoon. Saying the guy who owns Sporting should buy the Royals. True, Glass has been total suck as an owner. But I trust KK as far as I can throw his Lasik altered, wife leaving ass. I'll bet he'd love to stir up the shit, have Sporting buy the Royals so he could get the radio rights away from Entercom. And every time you hear him talk to anybody in authority, whether that's David or Dan Glass, or Clark Hunt, he turns into a softball lobbing kiss ass. What a douche.
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06-05-2013, 03:05 PM	#5435
gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $16896178 VARSITY	At this point it doesn't matter. Draw the lineup out of a hat. Hosmer looked totally lost at the plate last night. He and Moose both need to spend from now till the All Star Break in either NW Arkansas or Omaha. I'd send them both to Springdale and make them earn their way up to Omaha. This season is toast, so it really doesn't matter. Play Billay at first, Tejada at third for the next six or seven weeks. Who cares?
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06-05-2013, 03:23 PM	#5437
jbwm89 MIZZOU Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Saint Joseph Casino cash: $10005040	I threw this question at Rany on twitter: If the Rangers offered you Profar for Shields and Mondesi would you do it? and if the answer is no what about Santana and Mondesi? __________________ "You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
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06-05-2013, 03:51 PM	#5440
Prison Bitch Rabbi Goldmann Join Date: Nov 2012 Casino cash: $5450159	Why in the world would Texas trade the #1 prospect in all of MLB (and who's playing fine in his first year of MLB at a premium position) for 1/2 season of Gopher-Ball Santana and an A ball project?
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06-05-2013, 04:07 PM	#5444
Prison Bitch Rabbi Goldmann Join Date: Nov 2012 Casino cash: $5450159	Texas has the best rotation in the AL, and they currently lead the league in ERA as it is. Not sure why they'd deal for Shields.
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06-05-2013, 04:09 PM	#5445
jbwm89 MIZZOU Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Saint Joseph Casino cash: $10005040	Read a yahoo article which made me wonder what I would do if they offered. I apologize for not meeting your discussion criteria. I'll make sure to do better next time. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/james-s...151500115.html __________________ "You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
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