Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 345

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

**petegz28** · 05-30-2013, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Homers can kill rallies is what someone says when he cannot say that the lineup is ****ing short on talent.

Yeah but homeruns can kill rallys for other reason as well. I mean if a pitcher gives up 2 hits then a 3-run bomb, now it's bases are cleared, damage is done and pressure is off a bit so he's back to pitching. I don't think anyone is saying we don't want homeruns but it can deflate a rally because of it clearing bases and what not....

**petegz28** · 05-30-2013, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

I believe it was Muser who said sometimes a double can rattle a pitcher more because the pitcher had to now worry about the runner. I can't be sure since there have been so many laughably absurd statements from this org

I have always contended the double and triple put the most pressure on a pitcher. A pitcher gives up a jack and it's over and done with. A pitcher gives up a double or triple and now he has to be careful because a hit scores a run.

I think they are mentally tougher on a pitcher because it forces him to be more careful which usually means more hittable pitches.

**petegz28** · 05-30-2013, 04:16 PM

Seitzer..."I can't believe Brett came out and said the same thing I said that got me fired"

**gblowfish** · 05-30-2013, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop

Rain in StL?

Looks like there could be a delay for sure. Line of storms will go through there in the next couple of hours. It's headed that way:

**OnTheWarpath15** · 05-30-2013, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop

Rain in StL?

Not yet, but it could be a long night. Calling for T-storms, some of which could be severe. Winds between 20-30 mph.

Three7s · 05-30-2013, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28

I have always contended the double and triple put the most pressure on a pitcher. A pitcher gives up a jack and it's over and done with. A pitcher gives up a double or triple and now he has to be careful because a hit scores a run.

I think they are mentally tougher on a pitcher because it forces him to be more careful which usually means more hittable pitches.

I agree with you to an extent. When there's less than two outs, im more content with doubles and triples to keep things going. However, with 2 outs and one or two guys on, nothing better than a homer at that point.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 05-30-2013, 04:18 PM

Wow.

A hitting coach should be able to tell you how to deliver the barrel of the bat to the ball based upon the pitch and situation.

Maybe that's this organization's problem. You're aiming for mediocrity (slap hitting to the opposite field) the same way the Chiefs aim for it. Teach the players how to drive the ball with authority.

A hard hit line drive caught by the LF is a better at bat than a dying quail that drops in no man's land, even if the outcome is worse.

**petegz28** · 05-30-2013, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Three7s

I agree with you to an extent. When there's less than two outs, im more content with doubles and triples to keep things going. However, with 2 outs and one or two guys on, nothing better than a homer at that point.

Well sure, I agree with that.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 05-30-2013, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish

Looks like there could be a delay for sure. Line of storms will go through there in the next couple of hours. It's headed that way:

That big line in Jefferson City is heading well north of STL. Everything seems to be taking a N-NE track.

**petegz28** · 05-30-2013, 04:20 PM

Yost.."what do you want me to do, spank them?"

Brett.."time to put down the baby bottles"

Big difference

ChiefsCountry · 05-30-2013, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

That big line in Jefferson City is heading well north of STL. Everything seems to be taking a N-NE track.

The storms were pretty heavy here in Mid-Missouri, but they went by quick. Don't know how they are headed towards St. Louis though.

**ChiTown** · 05-30-2013, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yost.."what do you want me to do, spank them?"

Brett.."time to put down the baby bottles"

Big difference

One is an ass kicker, and one is a baby burper

**DeezNutz** · 05-30-2013, 04:23 PM

Love for Brett is causing posters to defend an asinine comment.

**petegz28** · 05-30-2013, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Love for Brett is causing posters to defend an asinine comment.

I think you're blowing it up into something it isn't....just sayin

**DeezNutz** · 05-30-2013, 04:24 PM

And a gap-to-gap approach is absolutely sound. That's not at all a slap-hitter's approach to baseball.

Quite the contrary. HRs are generally mistakes, the by-products of a high-quality approach.

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duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1889692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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