Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 340

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

Sure-Oz · 05-30-2013, 02:31 PM

Juan Francisco DFA'd by Braves....future Royal?

CaliforniaChief · 05-30-2013, 02:35 PM

Fair enough. I think the Royals would greatly benefit from having Rany at the table with his insight/perspective.

Alright, Paul DePodesta as GM, Rany on the leadership team as a consultant, and whoever they want to hire as manager.

BlackHelicopters · 05-30-2013, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

Fair enough. I think the Royals would greatly benefit from having Rany at the table with his insight/perspective.

Alright, Paul DePodesta as GM, Rany on the leadership team as a consultant, and whoever they want to hire as manager.

Seitzer as manager?

CaliforniaChief · 05-30-2013, 02:44 PM

I could roll with a bunch of names. I just know that De Podesta got screwed by the McCourt's in LA...smart, young, still hungry...and same frame of thinking as Rany. I would trust them to find a manager who knows how to put a lineup together and manage pitching.

I would love to see Dave Righetti get a long look.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/dave-...the-hrfb-rate/

**Bowser** · 05-30-2013, 02:45 PM

How hard do the other managers laugh at David Glass after Glass leaves a conference room at the owner's meetings?

**ChiTown** · 05-30-2013, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop

Seitzer as manager?

NO

GloryDayz · 05-30-2013, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

You're going to have to be more specific. Which asshole?

Yes..

BlackHelicopters · 05-30-2013, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

NO

Throwing out names. Got a name?

BlackHelicopters · 05-30-2013, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz

Yes..

**BigRedChief** · 05-30-2013, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Desperate and meaningless move is desperate and meaningless.

Wake me when DM is fired.

It does seem that your issue is drafting and developing talent, not getting a new hitting coach.

Hiring Brett means someday firing Brett. Maybe Frank White type hurt feelings occur. That would be a real tragedy.

**ChiTown** · 05-30-2013, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop

Throwing out names. Got a name?

No, but I know what won't work, and it's not Seitzer, Brett, White, etc. We need a guy that is interested in winning, and not just "protecting and developing the young guys". We need an ass kicker that expects us to win, and not be surprised by it.

**DeezNutz** · 05-30-2013, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

It does seem that your issue is drafting and developing talent, not getting a new hitting coach.

Hiring Brett means someday firing Brett. Maybe Frank White type hurt feelings occur. That would be a real tragedy.

It would indeed mean that were the move a "permanent" one. Not the case here. This is DM desperately trying to buy time to ensure that he gets to try to hire one more manager.

BlackHelicopters · 05-30-2013, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

No, but I know what won't work, and it's not Seitzer, Brett, White, etc. We need a guy that is interested in winning, and not just "protecting and developing the young guys". We need an ass kicker that expects us to win, and not be surprised by it.

Couldn't agree more. Accountability.

**gblowfish** · 05-30-2013, 03:00 PM

I think I know what's wrong with the Royals coaching. They're only allowed to work 36 hours a week. See, they're not allowed to go over 40, because then, Wal-Mart would have to pay their health and dental insurance.

So our players don't get as much instruction as other teams do.

It's that simple.

Oh, and watch for Ned to show up in some Emergency Room with an ulcer, on the taxpayer's dime!

**ChiTown** · 05-30-2013, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

It would indeed mean that were the move a "permanent" one. Not the case here. This is DM desperately trying to buy time to ensure that he gets to try to hire one more manager.

He shouldn't be allowed to some much as hire the new towel boy in the visiting team's locker room. He's failed at everything he's done in his Royal's tenure (okay, that's an exaggeration, but you get the point). He came in here taking over a last place team, and that is where we will most likely finish this year - year 7 of his shit tenure.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1889692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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CaliforniaChief #RIPAce Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: So Cal Casino cash: $10715899	Fair enough. I think the Royals would greatly benefit from having Rany at the table with his insight/perspective. Alright, Paul DePodesta as GM, Rany on the leadership team as a consultant, and whoever they want to hire as manager.
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05-30-2013, 02:44 PM	#5089
CaliforniaChief #RIPAce Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: So Cal Casino cash: $10715899	I could roll with a bunch of names. I just know that De Podesta got screwed by the McCourt's in LA...smart, young, still hungry...and same frame of thinking as Rany. I would trust them to find a manager who knows how to put a lineup together and manage pitching. I would love to see Dave Righetti get a long look. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/dave-...the-hrfb-rate/
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05-30-2013, 03:00 PM	#5099
gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $16896178 VARSITY	I think I know what's wrong with the Royals coaching. They're only allowed to work 36 hours a week. See, they're not allowed to go over 40, because then, Wal-Mart would have to pay their health and dental insurance. So our players don't get as much instruction as other teams do. It's that simple. Oh, and watch for Ned to show up in some Emergency Room with an ulcer, on the taxpayer's dime!
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