Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 276

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

Chiefspants · 05-15-2013, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

So was I wrong?

About what exactly? Platooning Salvy with Kottaras? Sorry, man, I'm losing track of your cutting edge suggestions.

Prison Bitch · 05-15-2013, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

About what exactly? Platooning Salvy with Kottaras? Sorry, man, I'm losing track of your cutting edge suggestions.

I know it's hard for you to admit I'm right about MOOOOOOSE! You obv weren't aware of the actual facts. You like the guy and hoped he'd become a star, and it hurts you that he sucks. I get it. Fan favorites always get treated differently by the fanbase.

Prison Bitch · 05-15-2013, 07:35 AM

Dayton is about to enter his 8th year in June. (Yeah, 8th). Who has he produced on this roster? He didn't draft or develope Butler or Gordon or Greinke (who produced Cain + Escobar). Hosmer + Moustakas are awful. As is Frenchy + Getz obv.

As of today the only regular he's drafted & developed is Perez. On the pitching side? Drafted none of our rotation. Drafted only Crow (9th overall no less) and Holland. That's all we have to show for 7 full years Dayton?

Chiefspants · 05-15-2013, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

I know it's hard for you to admit I'm right about MOOOOOOSE! You obv weren't aware of the actual facts. You like the guy and hoped he'd become a star, and it hurts you that he sucks. I get it. Fan favorites always get treated differently by the fanbase.

Alex Gordon says whazzup.

And I am done wasting any cognitive energy on you, you are nothing more than a collection of inane and incomprehensible blunderings.

Prison Bitch · 05-15-2013, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Alex Gordon says whazzup.

And I am done quoting you, you are nothing more than a collection of inane and incomprehensible blunderings.

Fortunately, even you can comprehend 0-18 though.

sedated · 05-15-2013, 07:50 AM

ignore works a whole lot better when you guys don't quote PB

BigCatDaddy · 05-15-2013, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Fortunately, even you can comprehend 0-18 though.

I'm not sure there are much better options. Tejeda?

duncan_idaho · 05-15-2013, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by sedated

ignore works a whole lot better when you guys don't quote PB

He needs to stick to kansas basketball discussion and talking about his obsession with Mizzou and stop cluttering our Royals thread with his nonsense.

ChiefsCountry · 05-15-2013, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

He needs to stick to kansas basketball discussion and talking about his obsession with Mizzou and stop cluttering our Royals thread with his nonsense.

Hamas beat him down in the Cardinals thread as well.
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Prison Bitch · 05-15-2013, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I'm not sure there are much better options. Tejeda?

That's sorta on Dayton for allowing our roster to be so thin, that Tejada is our option. I mean Cleveland has Mike Aviles up there. We should have a similar guy to play utility. (I guess Colon was supposed to be that). Regardless, you won't be losing anything from a negative WAR guy at the plate that MOOSE! has been.

In related news I'd like someone to explain why Johnny G won't get his chance at 2B, a non-premium position that we're now in a 3-person platoon. While the Cold Corner gets unlimited playing time.

Chiefspants · 05-15-2013, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

He needs to stick to kansas basketball discussion and talking about his obsession with Mizzou and stop cluttering our Royals thread with his nonsense.

As a KU fan, I would rather he focus on his latent lust for all things Mizzou.

duncan_idaho · 05-15-2013, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I'm not sure there are much better options. Tejeda?

There really aren't any better options, but if he continues to skid, you kind of have to do something to shake it up.

He slumped to start the season and was entering "turn it around now" territory, when he did just that. He wasn't able to sustain the turn around, though. At least if the last four games are any indication.

You don't demote a guy who struggles out of the gate in April, especially when a flaw is identified and he is working to fix it (And then goes on a tear). But if he still is scuffling in May, it makes sense.

By all accounts, he is a hard worker who cares and tries extremely hard. Sending him down to Omaha is not a magical fix, but if his confidence is starting to wane, a few weeks there might get him back into the swing of things.

Of course, Moustakas has already conquered that level (.290/25 HR/92 RBI/.331 OBP/.531 SLG) so it isn't necessarily indicative of improved success at the MLB level.

Prison Bitch · 05-15-2013, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Hamas beat him down in the Cardinals thread as well.
Posted via Mobile Device

Was that the guy who argued that KC was a similar baseball market as STL?

**Dartgod** · 05-15-2013, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

I know it's hard for you to admit I'm right about MOOOOOOSE! You obv weren't aware of the actual facts. You like the guy and hoped he'd become a star, and it hurts you that he sucks. I get it. Fan favorites always get treated differently by the fanbase.

Facts like these?

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Anyway back to reality. By my calcs Moose has to hit .361 the rest of the way to finish at .300. Obv wont happen but if he hits .300 from here out he can finish at .250. (That's how buried he already is)

SPATCH · 05-15-2013, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I'm not sure there are much better options. Tejeda?

I wouldn't be mad if we brought up Falu to play 3B for a little bit.

It is probably time to shake things up a bit for Moose.

Also, Gio should clearly be playing 2B right now. This offense needs a makeover.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1889692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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Prison Bitch Rabbi Goldmann Join Date: Nov 2012 Casino cash: $5450159	Dayton is about to enter his 8th year in June. (Yeah, 8th). Who has he produced on this roster? He didn't draft or develope Butler or Gordon or Greinke (who produced Cain + Escobar). Hosmer + Moustakas are awful. As is Frenchy + Getz obv. As of today the only regular he's drafted & developed is Perez. On the pitching side? Drafted none of our rotation. Drafted only Crow (9th overall no less) and Holland. That's all we have to show for 7 full years Dayton?
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