Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 266

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

**gblowfish** · 05-10-2013, 03:49 PM

I could see KC working a trade around the All Star Break for a 2nd baseman. And if Frenchy continues to be Frenchy, he'll get DFA'ed and Lough will be brought up.

duncan_idaho · 05-10-2013, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

In other news... Myers hasn't been anything special in triple A this year...

Currently .275/.372/.422 and has hit .171 the last 10 games.

It's possible he's merely bored.

It's also possible, considering his immense K rate (40 in 117 ABs) that his new approach is getting exploited OR that the Rays are having him work on something (I know they did not like his OF defense, reportedly, but possibly they're tinkering with his hitting approach, too).

He has struck out 40 times in 117 ABs. That's a 34.2 percent K rate. This is HIGHER than Bubba Starling's extremely alarming K rate.

This is HIGHER than Drew Stubbs' MLB K rate. This is 7 points higher than Stubbs' career minor league K rate.

If you're wondering if this is merely a small sample size... if you look at the past two seasons, since Myers went to the power-focused approached, he STILL has a K rate higher than Stubbs. He has struck out 180 times in 639 AB since the start of the 2012 season.

That works out to 28.2 percent.

Let's compare that to guys Myers is commonly compared to.

Ryan Braun - Minor league K rate of 19.7 percent

Dale Murphy - Minor league K rate of 17.0 percent

Jayson Werth - Minor league K rate of 24.5 percent

Jay Bruce - Minor league K rate of 25.2 percent

Jeff Francoeur - Minor league K rate of 18 percent

Myers' K rate leads me to think he's much less Ryan Braun/Dale Murphy and much more Werth/Bruce, with a floor of Stubbs/Francoeur.

**alnorth** · 05-10-2013, 06:02 PM

The umpire who screwed up the pitching change in Houston last night has been suspended for 2 games and fined.

Nightfyre · 05-10-2013, 06:57 PM

Somebody has to show these umpires that they are not a goddamned institution.

siberian khatru · 05-10-2013, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

It's possible he's merely bored.

It's also possible, considering his immense K rate (40 in 117 ABs) that his new approach is getting exploited OR that the Rays are having him work on something (I know they did not like his OF defense, reportedly, but possibly they're tinkering with his hitting approach, too).

He has struck out 40 times in 117 ABs. That's a 34.2 percent K rate. This is HIGHER than Bubba Starling's extremely alarming K rate.

This is HIGHER than Drew Stubbs' MLB K rate. This is 7 points higher than Stubbs' career minor league K rate.

If you're wondering if this is merely a small sample size... if you look at the past two seasons, since Myers went to the power-focused approached, he STILL has a K rate higher than Stubbs. He has struck out 180 times in 639 AB since the start of the 2012 season.

That works out to 28.2 percent.

Let's compare that to guys Myers is commonly compared to.

Ryan Braun - Minor league K rate of 19.7 percent

Dale Murphy - Minor league K rate of 17.0 percent

Jayson Werth - Minor league K rate of 24.5 percent

Jay Bruce - Minor league K rate of 25.2 percent

Jeff Francoeur - Minor league K rate of 18 percent

Myers' K rate leads me to think he's much less Ryan Braun/Dale Murphy and much more Werth/Bruce, with a floor of Stubbs/Francoeur.

Wouldn't that be something if he became the next Francoeur.

Chiefspants · 05-11-2013, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Wouldn't that be something if he became the next Francoeur.

Moore may have an eye for em'

ChiefsCountry · 05-12-2013, 08:08 PM

Just for some prospective on the season so far. Lets look at the season like an NFL season. For every 10 games in MLB is like one NFL game. So how are the Royals doing so far:

First 10 - 6-4 - Win
Second 10 - 6-4 - Win
Third 10 - 5-5 - Tie
4 Games in 4 - 1-3

Looking at it like a NFL season, the Royals would be 2-0-1. Getting close to halftime in Game 4.

Kidd Lex · 05-12-2013, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Just for some prospective on the season so far. Lets look at the season like an NFL season. For every 10 games in MLB is like one NFL game. So how are the Royals doing so far:

First 10 - 6-4 - Win
Second 10 - 6-4 - Win
Third 10 - 5-5 - Tie
4 Games in 4 - 1-3

Looking at it like a NFL season, the Royals would be 2-0-1. Getting close to halftime in Game 4.

This fails because 10-0 = 6-4 & vice versa. That's potentially a 64 game swing, which is actually about the number of games up in the air in any MLB season. Each team will win 50, and lose 50, it's the other 62 that decide their fate.

I like the analysis, just not applicable in my opinion.

CaliforniaChief · 05-12-2013, 10:34 PM

http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story...1-million-deal

Parameters for a Hosmer deal??? Rizzo's putting up better numbers.

AussieChiefsFan · 05-12-2013, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Just for some prospective on the season so far. Lets look at the season like an NFL season. For every 10 games in MLB is like one NFL game. So how are the Royals doing so far:

First 10 - 6-4 - Win
Second 10 - 6-4 - Win
Third 10 - 5-5 - Tie
4 Games in 4 - 1-3

Looking at it like a NFL season, the Royals would be 2-0-1. Getting close to halftime in Game 4.

This makes me feel q little better about recent games. But I'm not sure it actually means anything. If they start winning again by sweeping the Angels, the winning might become consistent again.

KChiefs1 · 05-12-2013, 10:40 PM

Gotta upgrade the RF & 2nd Base positions!

Hootie · 05-12-2013, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story...1-million-deal

Parameters for a Hosmer deal??? Rizzo's putting up better numbers.

I'd like to actually see Hosmer be good before we give him shit.

CaliforniaChief · 05-12-2013, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

I'd like to actually see Hosmer be good before we give him shit.

Yeah I hear you. But he's a Boras client. And if he does show something, his price tag goes way up. If you're confident in him...you go ahead and buy low for that potential. It's the only way we keep our stars with that wretched TV deal.

Chiefspants · 05-12-2013, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie

I'd like to actually see Hosmer be good before we give him shit.

Meh, for a seven year deal, he may be worth the gamble.

Archie F. Swin · 05-13-2013, 06:39 AM

I wasn't able to see to see the Sat or Sunday games...what's the scoop?

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1889692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $-1351248	Just for some prospective on the season so far. Lets look at the season like an NFL season. For every 10 games in MLB is like one NFL game. So how are the Royals doing so far: First 10 - 6-4 - Win Second 10 - 6-4 - Win Third 10 - 5-5 - Tie 4 Games in 4 - 1-3 Looking at it like a NFL season, the Royals would be 2-0-1. Getting close to halftime in Game 4.
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