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duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

Hootie · 05-05-2013, 08:11 PM

probably anyone

**** it, right?

Sure-Oz · 05-05-2013, 08:24 PM

Get Utley as quick as you can. I dont think he should cost the royals any major piece in the minors

Kidd Lex · 05-05-2013, 08:27 PM

Royals becoming bigger story than

post draft...

**Saul Good** · 05-05-2013, 08:28 PM

Who here would undo the Myers/Shields trade?

CaliforniaChief · 05-05-2013, 08:29 PM

Yep, go get him now. Philly doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell.

Kidd Lex · 05-05-2013, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Who here would undo the Myers/Shields trade?

Ask me in 2015

Prison Bitch · 05-05-2013, 08:44 PM

Hos and Moose have to step it up bigtime. They've been terrible at the plate. Our hitting with risp is winning games

**Saul Good** · 05-05-2013, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The God Hypothesis

Ask me in 2015

I'm asking now.

Prison Bitch · 05-05-2013, 08:47 PM

Why? This trade won't be analyzed in one month. I'd sure hope we'd be ahead one month in and taking on $13 million in salaries. Odorizzi did start today and contribute to a no hitter

CaliforniaChief · 05-05-2013, 08:47 PM

I'm happy with the trade. Pitching is king, and Shields is a kick-ass pitcher. I'll feel much better if we can add 2 years to his deal.

Jerm · 05-05-2013, 08:47 PM

I can't see us going after Utley but you talk about an ideal fit...wow...

**lewdog** · 05-05-2013, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The God Hypothesis

Royals becoming bigger story than

post draft...

Who???

**Saul Good** · 05-05-2013, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Why? This trade won't be analyzed in one month. I'd sure hope we'd be ahead one month in and taking on $13 million in salaries. Odorizzi did start today and contribute to a no hitter

Because evaluating trades with the benefit of hindsight is pointless. People bitched up a storm a couple months ago. Nobody seemed to need two years to evaluate it then. Why now?

Kidd Lex · 05-05-2013, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Because evaluating trades with the benefit of hindsight is pointless. People bitched up a storm a couple months ago. Nobody seemed to need two years to evaluate it then. Why now?

Fair point, but it's easy to sit and deem it a success at this moment, as our beloved Royals are on a roll. I still don't like the trade for the future, but I knew it would make us better in the short term, so I'm loving the best case scenario happening on cinco de mayo, 2013.

**Shogun** · 05-05-2013, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Because evaluating trades with the benefit of hindsight is pointless. People bitched up a storm a couple months ago. Nobody seemed to need two years to evaluate it then. Why now?

Love the trade, Myers may or may not work out. Davis,Johnson,Shields are helping us win now. Go Royals.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1889692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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