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duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

Chiefspants · 05-03-2013, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth

We're probably at least $10-15MM under market per year on that.

That stings, how long are we attached to that abomination of a deal again?

CaliforniaChief · 05-03-2013, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Weather has blown balls, Royals keep the winning up the K will be rocking this summer.

This actually makes a lot of sense when you consider that FSKC has been killing the ratings so far. There's no doubt that the fans are getting into this team.

duncan_idaho · 05-03-2013, 11:22 PM

As great as Santana has been this year, I would not want to sign him to a lucrative long-term deal.

He has been so up-and-down throughout his career, I'd be nervous to do something like that. Those are the types of guys that can hamstring a small-market like Kansas City for YEARS if they go bad.

As far as trade pieces...

Here are guys who could be "headliners" in a big deal:

1) Kyle Zimmer. Doesn't profile as a true ace (Verlander/Kershaw/King Felix), but then only a few minor league guys have that type of upside. Profiles just fine as someone with James Shields/Zack Greinke level potential. Highly unlikely to be traded for anything but a young player controlled for multiple years with star potential.

2) Yordano Ventura. Stuff and results are great, and his durability has been just fine. Electric arm. Could be moved, but the Royals love him.

3) Miguel Almonte. Recent reports have placed this guy on the same level as Zimmer as a prospect. Very similar to Julio Teheran in terms of stuff and potential. More moveable, I think.

4) Adalberto Mondesi. He's so far away, his trade value isn't as high as it should be. Still, a 17 year old playing full season ball and slugging .150 points higher than his BA (current totals) while also playing defense that will stick and be above average at SS? Yes, please. Least likely player to get moved.

5) Bubba Starling. Crazy upside is still there, and he's starting to hit now at Lexington. Only question is hit tool. Everything else is easy plus.

6) Orlando Calixte. Middle infielder with big power potential. Not sure he can stick at SS, but he hasn't proven he can't. Early returns at Northwest Arkansas have been mixed with the bat. Doesn't have the same value as the other 4, who are all top 50 types.

7) Jorge Bonifacio. Big-time hit tools and power potential aplenty, he's performing well in a tough hitter's environment (Wilmington). Less positional value but better bat than Calixte.

There are a host of guys that can be added/subtracted to get to a deal for a more major piece:

Chris Dwyer
Christian Colon
Angel Baez
Sam Selman
Kyle Smith
Bryan Brickhouse
Cameron Gallagher
Jason Adam
Cheslor Cuthbert
Johnny Giavotella
Will Smith
Donnie Joseph

a pp roach · 05-03-2013, 11:33 PM

weather causes royals to drop from 1st..

thx weather!

Deberg_1990 · 05-03-2013, 11:45 PM

It's a franchise that hasn't been any good for 20 years, and no playoffs in 28 years. It's honestly amazing they still have fans. There is a lot more competition for entertainment dollars since the era when they were truly good.

Nightfyre · 05-04-2013, 07:55 AM

Isn't Dwyer finally becoming the pitcher we always hoped he would. I haven't had time to watch MiLB games yet this year, but it would seem to me based on his stat line that he is finally breaking through despite the promotion to AAA.

Nightfyre · 05-04-2013, 07:57 AM

Also, David Lough is RAKING in AAA. That's interesting because I did not notice that before.

BlackHelicopters · 05-04-2013, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

This actually makes a lot of sense when you consider that FSKC has been killing the ratings so far. There's no doubt that the fans are getting into this team.

Both fans at Wednesday's game were into the team.

Kidd Lex · 05-04-2013, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Also, David Lough is RAKING in AAA. That's interesting because I did not notice that before.

Goodbye Frenchy, don't let the door hit you in the ass.

Three7s · 05-04-2013, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by The God Hypothesis

Goodbye Frenchy, don't let the door hit you in the ass.

Ned Yost: "What? Get that talk out of here! Frenchy is one of the main clogs in our lineup and clubhouse! True leader."

Kidd Lex · 05-04-2013, 08:29 AM

Frenchy's got grit. Yost loves grit.

TLO · 05-04-2013, 08:49 AM

I've got grit. I played baseball is HS as an outfielder. I'm pretty fast and had a good throwing arm. I also have a good smile and would be a good clubhouse guy. Can I play RF for the Royals?

siberian khatru · 05-04-2013, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

As great as Santana has been this year, I would not want to sign him to a lucrative long-term deal.

He has been so up-and-down throughout his career, I'd be nervous to do something like that. Those are the types of guys that can hamstring a small-market like Kansas City for YEARS if they go bad.

As far as trade pieces...

Here are guys who could be "headliners" in a big deal:

1) Kyle Zimmer. Doesn't profile as a true ace (Verlander/Kershaw/King Felix), but then only a few minor league guys have that type of upside. Profiles just fine as someone with James Shields/Zack Greinke level potential. Highly unlikely to be traded for anything but a young player controlled for multiple years with star potential.

2) Yordano Ventura. Stuff and results are great, and his durability has been just fine. Electric arm. Could be moved, but the Royals love him.

3) Miguel Almonte. Recent reports have placed this guy on the same level as Zimmer as a prospect. Very similar to Julio Teheran in terms of stuff and potential. More moveable, I think.

4) Adalberto Mondesi. He's so far away, his trade value isn't as high as it should be. Still, a 17 year old playing full season ball and slugging .150 points higher than his BA (current totals) while also playing defense that will stick and be above average at SS? Yes, please. Least likely player to get moved.

5) Bubba Starling. Crazy upside is still there, and he's starting to hit now at Lexington. Only question is hit tool. Everything else is easy plus.

6) Orlando Calixte. Middle infielder with big power potential. Not sure he can stick at SS, but he hasn't proven he can't. Early returns at Northwest Arkansas have been mixed with the bat. Doesn't have the same value as the other 4, who are all top 50 types.

7) Jorge Bonifacio. Big-time hit tools and power potential aplenty, he's performing well in a tough hitter's environment (Wilmington). Less positional value but better bat than Calixte.

There are a host of guys that can be added/subtracted to get to a deal for a more major piece:

Chris Dwyer
Christian Colon
Angel Baez
Sam Selman
Kyle Smith
Bryan Brickhouse
Cameron Gallagher
Jason Adam
Cheslor Cuthbert
Johnny Giavotella
Will Smith
Donnie Joseph

Duncan, play GM.

You can acquire BOTH David DeJesus (to platoon with Frenchy) AND Chase Utley. Both could be available in June. I think that would significantly upgrade the offense without breaking the bank long-term fiscally or in terms of young talent.

Would you make those deals? If so, what would you trade to get them?

**alnorth** · 05-04-2013, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

That stings, how long are we attached to that abomination of a deal again?

2019. We can go to market for the 2020 season. Our horrible TV contract pays $20MM/yr. The Indians for example are getting $40MM/yr.

Kidd Lex · 05-04-2013, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth

2019. We can go to market for the 2020 season. Our horrible TV contract pays $20MM/yr. The Indians for example are getting $40MM/yr.

Well maybe, just maybe, GMDM will turn Jonathan Sanchez (this tv deal), into Guthrie (new tv deal) by trading.....what?! 2019!! Yes we are ****ed.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1889692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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05-03-2013, 11:22 PM	#3528
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1889692	As great as Santana has been this year, I would not want to sign him to a lucrative long-term deal. He has been so up-and-down throughout his career, I'd be nervous to do something like that. Those are the types of guys that can hamstring a small-market like Kansas City for YEARS if they go bad. As far as trade pieces... Here are guys who could be "headliners" in a big deal: 1) Kyle Zimmer. Doesn't profile as a true ace (Verlander/Kershaw/King Felix), but then only a few minor league guys have that type of upside. Profiles just fine as someone with James Shields/Zack Greinke level potential. Highly unlikely to be traded for anything but a young player controlled for multiple years with star potential. 2) Yordano Ventura. Stuff and results are great, and his durability has been just fine. Electric arm. Could be moved, but the Royals love him. 3) Miguel Almonte. Recent reports have placed this guy on the same level as Zimmer as a prospect. Very similar to Julio Teheran in terms of stuff and potential. More moveable, I think. 4) Adalberto Mondesi. He's so far away, his trade value isn't as high as it should be. Still, a 17 year old playing full season ball and slugging .150 points higher than his BA (current totals) while also playing defense that will stick and be above average at SS? Yes, please. Least likely player to get moved. 5) Bubba Starling. Crazy upside is still there, and he's starting to hit now at Lexington. Only question is hit tool. Everything else is easy plus. 6) Orlando Calixte. Middle infielder with big power potential. Not sure he can stick at SS, but he hasn't proven he can't. Early returns at Northwest Arkansas have been mixed with the bat. Doesn't have the same value as the other 4, who are all top 50 types. 7) Jorge Bonifacio. Big-time hit tools and power potential aplenty, he's performing well in a tough hitter's environment (Wilmington). Less positional value but better bat than Calixte. There are a host of guys that can be added/subtracted to get to a deal for a more major piece: Chris Dwyer Christian Colon Angel Baez Sam Selman Kyle Smith Bryan Brickhouse Cameron Gallagher Jason Adam Cheslor Cuthbert Johnny Giavotella Will Smith Donnie Joseph __________________ "You gotta love livin', cause dying is a pain in the ass." ---- Sinatra
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TLO Life is changing.. Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: NW Missouri Casino cash: $-2350000	I've got grit. I played baseball is HS as an outfielder. I'm pretty fast and had a good throwing arm. I also have a good smile and would be a good clubhouse guy. Can I play RF for the Royals?
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