Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 231

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

Prison Bitch · 05-03-2013, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kcjayhawks5

I think it means we are trading Getz for Utley.

Exactly. We don't have much left to trade, outside of Ventura. Zimmer is untradeable. We aren't doing Ventura for Utley and they wouldn't do any deal without Ventura. hence the discussion is dumb.

Strongside · 05-03-2013, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Exactly. We don't have much left to trade, outside of Ventura. Zimmer is untradeable. We aren't doing Ventura for Utley and they wouldn't do any deal without Ventura. hence the discussion is dumb.

Dan Glass for Utley.

For Dave so loved the team he gave his only begotten son. And whosoever believeth in him shall probably still perish but will have Chase Utley.

Fansy the Famous Bard · 05-03-2013, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Exactly. We don't have much left to trade, outside of Ventura. Zimmer is untradeable. We aren't doing Ventura for Utley and they wouldn't do any deal without Ventura. hence the discussion is dumb.

I don't find it dumb at all. Royals fans talking baseball in the Royals thread happens every day on here. What I find dumb is one of the most illogical and opinionated dipshits on this Forum making absurd statements such as this.

Prison Bitch · 05-03-2013, 01:15 PM

Cry like a baby much?

Ok, tell us who we're going to trade for Utley. Be specific. I'd love to hear it.

allen_kcCard · 05-03-2013, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

I'll be mildly suprised if a game even gets played today. Maybe tomorrow, as well.

They have already closed the upper deck for the night.

**DeezNutz** · 05-03-2013, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Exactly. We don't have much left to trade, outside of Ventura. Zimmer is untradeable. We aren't doing Ventura for Utley and they wouldn't do any deal without Ventura. hence the discussion is dumb.

Calling duncan to completely debunk the notion that the Royals have few trade pieces.

Fansy the Famous Bard · 05-03-2013, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Cry like a baby much?

Ok, tell us who we're going to trade for Utley. Be specific. I'd love to hear it.

I didn't say anything about Utley. I was talking about you specifically.

Prison Bitch · 05-03-2013, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke

I didn't say anything about Utley. I was talking about you specifically.

You said my statement was "absurd". If you can't explain why it is, then you really can't call it absurd after all.

Fansy the Famous Bard · 05-03-2013, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

You said my statement was "absurd". If you can't explain why it is, then you really can't call it absurd after all.

Quote:

hence the discussion is dumb.

Prison Bitch · 05-03-2013, 02:04 PM

I knew you'd cry uncle and give up.

Archie F. Swin · 05-03-2013, 02:05 PM

Looks like we're on the verge of our 5th postponement of the season and third straight Friday PPD. ****in' eh.

duncan_idaho · 05-03-2013, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Exactly. We don't have much left to trade, outside of Ventura. Zimmer is untradeable. We aren't doing Ventura for Utley and they wouldn't do any deal without Ventura. hence the discussion is dumb.

No.

The discussion doesn't just begin and end with Utley, either. Jimmy Rollins is an interesting name as well (though his vesting option for 2015 is a concern).

Nobody is untradeable. Wil Myers should have taught us all that. Also, TINSTAPP. Hoarding pitching prospects is not guaranteed to succeed. In fact, there's plenty of evidence to suggest the opposite.

The Royals compatability as a trade partner with Philadelphia comes down to what type of rebuild the Phillies plan to do. If they want "close" talent, the Royals would have a tough time matching up without Ventura (though I have a hard time seeing any top 50 talents involved in a deadline deal for Utley).

If the Phillies are willing to accept something that's farther away, a lot of talent comes into play (and I'm probably missing a few guys):

Orlando Calixte
Jorge Bonifacio
Cheslor Cuthbert
Miguel Almonte
Angel Baez
Sam Selman
Kyle Smith
Bryan Brickhouse
Fred Ford
Cam Gallagher

It's too early to have any idea what Philly is looking at, but if they're a seller this year, they're probably looking at a 2-3 year rebuild.

If you look at what the Phillies got in return for Hunter Pence (who was younger, controlled longer and much less of a health risk), you're not talking about prospects like Ventura or Zimmer.

You're talking about Seth Rosin - 23-year-old who started his third professional season at A+ level - and Tommy Joseph - a young catcher with some intriguing power but contact issues.

Oh, and Nate Schierholtz.

duncan_idaho · 05-03-2013, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Calling duncan to completely debunk the notion that the Royals have few trade pieces.

Call answered.

Toadkiller · 05-03-2013, 02:08 PM

Tonights game postponed, make up is monday at 1:10

Fansy the Famous Bard · 05-03-2013, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

I knew you'd cry uncle and give up.

"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him"

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