Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 176

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

DJ's left nut · 04-10-2013, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

random thought....imagine our rotation if we still had Grienke?

Grienke, Shields, Santana, Guthrie, Davis/Mendoza

Championship!!!

You'd be without a SS and CFer. You'd also have been missing one of the key components to the Shields trade.

The Royals made out quite well in the Greinke deal. It's never good to give up an ace, but to get a plus SS and CFer out of the deal is a pretty good return. You've replaced a very scarce resource (#1 SP) with 2 very scarce resources (well rounded hitters at defensively premium positions).

That's why the Royals are so dangerous - at 3 of the most important defensive positions on the field - C, SS and CF - you guys have people that can hold their own with the bat.

**Saul Good** · 04-10-2013, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ebolapox

carlos beltran

No

DJ's left nut · 04-10-2013, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Cards fans are making me believe that the Royals are headed in the right direction.

Cards fans are a little jittery about the fact that we presently have Pete Kozma and Mitchell Boggs at SS and CL respectively while we have 2 absolute stud prospects in Taveras and Adams that are completely blocked.

Somebody help us fill one of the goddamn holes and you'll get a really good player back for your efforts.

**Bowser** · 04-10-2013, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Here is my nomination for the most under-rated Royal of all time:

4 time all-star (3 as a Royal)

Finished top 10 in MVP voting two years in a row. (both as a Royal)

Highest single season WAR by any Royal besides George Brett.

Best offensive player in team history at his position.

Best defensive player in team history at his position.

Had one of the best seasons in team history with a .291/20/112 while scoring 100 runs, leading the league with 121 walks, and an incredible .421 OBP.

Who is it?

Frank White

**Saul Good** · 04-10-2013, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser

Frank White

No

**DeezNutz** · 04-10-2013, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Cards fans are a little jittery about the fact that we presently have Pete Kozma and Mitchell Boggs at SS and CL respectively while we have 2 absolute stud prospects in Taveras and Adams that are completely blocked.

Somebody help us fill one of the goddamn holes and you'll get a really good player back for your efforts.

By trading Myers, the Royals have gone all in for the next two years. So you want pieces? Start looking at the farm because the viable parts on the ML roster are off limits, unless you're going to start grabbing ankles.

**Bowser** · 04-10-2013, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

No

Huh. Willie WIlson? If no, I'll let someone else give it a shot.

**Saul Good** · 04-10-2013, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser

Huh. Willie WIlson? If no, I'll let someone else give it a shot.

Nope.

Remember...this is my nomination for the most under-rated Royal ever. Can't really put Beltran, White, and Wilson in that category.

Deberg_1990 · 04-10-2013, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Here is my nomination for the most under-rated Royal of all time:

4 time all-star (3 as a Royal)

Finished top 10 in MVP voting two years in a row. (both as a Royal)

Highest single season WAR by any Royal besides George Brett.

Best offensive player in team history at his position.

Best defensive player in team history at his position.

Had one of the best seasons in team history with a .291/20/112 while scoring 100 runs, leading the league with 121 walks, and an incredible .421 OBP.

Who is it?

Amos Otis?

**gblowfish** · 04-10-2013, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

random thought....imagine our rotation if we still had Grienke?

Grienke, Shields, Santana, Guthrie, Davis/Mendoza

Championship!!!

I'd much much much rather have Esky and Lo-Cain.
And Odorizzi helped us get Shields.

Grienke is about the money. He's not a team guy.

**Saul Good** · 04-10-2013, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Amos Otis?

No

**Bowser** · 04-10-2013, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Nope.

Remember...this is my nomination for the most under-rated Royal ever. Can't really put Beltran, White, and Wilson in that category.

Ah yes. Overlooked that tidbit.

Who could have been under-rated, yet led the team at his position all time?

DJ's left nut · 04-10-2013, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

By trading Myers, the Royals have gone all in for the next two years. So you want pieces? Start looking at the farm because the viable parts on the ML roster are off limits, unless you're going to start grabbing ankles.

Have fun trying to 'win now' with Jeff Francouer in the middle of your order.

Ebolapox · 04-10-2013, 02:39 PM

darrell porter?

**Bowser** · 04-10-2013, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Have fun trying to 'win now' with Jeff Francouer in the middle of your order.

Excuse me. BOTTOM of the order. (but point taken)

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1889692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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