Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 168

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

**gblowfish** · 04-10-2013, 10:33 AM

OK...I've done some thinking on this one.

Here's my all time terrible Kansas City Royals 25 man roster.
Now, my criteria is this:
•Players had to spend a decent amount of time actually playing and affecting games, sucking like a hoover.
OR...
•Player had to have cost us a high draft pick or a shitload of money and delivered NOTHING in return,
OR....
•Player had to be acquired in a one-sided terrible trade and burned the team,
OR....
•Player had to have been a total A-HOLE and clubhouse cancer.

Here it is:

1B: Ken Harvey
2B: Terry Shumpert
SS: Neifi Perez
3B: Craig Pauquette
C: Ed Hearn
LF: Kevin McReynolds
CF: Dee Brown
RF: Juan Gonzalez
DH: Mike Jacobs

Starting Pitchers:
Scott Anderson
Kyle Davies
Dan Reichert
Runelvys Hernandez
Jonathan Sanchez

Relievers:
Brian Anderson
Yasuhiko Yabuta
Mark Davis
Vin Mazzaro
Albie Lopez

Closer:
Ricky Bottalico

Bench:
Yuni Betancourt
Mark Quinn
Tony Pena Jr.
Calvin Pickering
Mike DiFelice

Now that's a stench!

Mr. Arrowhead · 04-10-2013, 10:35 AM

Remember when Tony Pena Jr batted with 1 hand and got a hit lol

Fansy the Famous Bard · 04-10-2013, 10:35 AM

No Doug Henry or Blowberto?

**Saul Good** · 04-10-2013, 10:38 AM

Shumpert doesn't seem to meet your criteria. McReynolds wasn't that bad, and Hearn got hurt. Not sure they belong on the list.

Quinn wasn't a bad player, either. Neither was Pickering, and I'm not sure how be fits the profile, either.

**Bowser** · 04-10-2013, 10:39 AM

No list is complete without Chuck Knoblauch or Juan Gonzalez on it.

And good lord, George. That roster would be hari-kari worthy if it were real life.

**gblowfish** · 04-10-2013, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Shumpert doesn't seem to meet your criteria. McReynolds wasn't that bad, and Hearn got hurt. Not sure they belong on the list.

Quinn wasn't a bad player, either. Neither was Pickering, and I'm not sure how be fits the profile, either.

Terry Shumpert: 5 years in KC, .220 batting average.

Pickering: 2 years in KC: 8 HRs, 56Ks.

McReynolds is what we got from the Mets for Saberhagen. In 2 years with KC, he hit .246. He was out of baseball a year later.

Hearn is what we got for David Cone. Yes, he was hurt, but that trade really cost us. Cone made it back to KC as a Free Agent and won a Cy Young in 1994, then the Royals traded him again in 1995.

Quinn in four years hit .282 which is great, but it was a very hollow .282. He K'ed 184 times and only walked 56 times, only hit a total of 45 homers (that's 11 per year) from a power position (outfield). And his outfield play and fielding was atrocious. He also put himself on the DL, getting hurt Kung-Fu Fighting with his brother. Bonehead.

**Saul Good** · 04-10-2013, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish

Terry Shumpert: 5 years in KC, .220 batting average.

Pickering: 2 years in KC: 8 HRs, 56Ks.

McReynolds is what we got from the Mets for Saberhagen. In 2 years with KC, he hit .246. He was out of baseball a year later.

Hearn is what we got for David Cone. Yes, he was hurt, but that trade really cost us. Cone made it back to KC as a Free Agent and won a Cy Young in 1994, then the Royals traded him again in 1995.

Pickering had fewer than 150 career ABs for the Royals.

Deberg_1990 · 04-10-2013, 10:56 AM

Nice list George. No Storm Davis?

**gblowfish** · 04-10-2013, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser

No list is complete without Chuck Knoblauch or Juan Gonzalez on it.

And good lord, George. That roster would be hari-kari worthy if it were real life.

Well, you could pick an all-washed-up team. Players who came here on their last legs. That would include guys like Harmon Killebrew, Vida Blue, Chili Davis, Reggie Sanders, Miguel Tejada, etc etc etc. There's been a ton of those guys limp through here.

**Dartgod** · 04-10-2013, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Who knows? I will say that after the opening day game, on TV last nights game the stadium looked only about half full.

You do realize that there were strong thunderstorms forecast for the area and the game ended in a deluge of rain, no?

**Bowser** · 04-10-2013, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish

Well, you could pick an all-washed-up team. Players who came here on their last legs. That would include guys like Harmon Killebrew, Vida Blue, Chili Davis, Reggie Sanders, Miguel Tejada, etc etc etc. There's been a ton of those guys limp through here.

Good point, actually.

It is possible that I'm just trying to block memories of all the "talent" that we had come through our own system to arrive in the bigs and only watch them poop all over themselves.

Deberg_1990 · 04-10-2013, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish

Well, you could pick an all-washed-up team. Players who came here on their last legs. That would include guys like Harmon Killebrew, Vida Blue, Chili Davis, Reggie Sanders, Miguel Tejada, etc etc etc. There's been a ton of those guys limp through here.

Vince Coleman

Who we actually traded Kevin McReynolds for....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_Coleman

Chiefless · 04-10-2013, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Shumpert doesn't seem to meet your criteria. McReynolds wasn't that bad, and Hearn got hurt. Not sure they belong on the list.

Quinn wasn't a bad player, either. Neither was Pickering, and I'm not sure how be fits the profile, either.

McReynolds is my all time most hated Royal. He was terribad.

Demonpenz · 04-10-2013, 10:59 AM

Remember when Mark Quinn failed to walk in 1000 at bats, then when he walked they set off the fireworks at the K...

WhawhaWhat · 04-10-2013, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Let's do an all-futility team for the Royals. Players must have played in at least 25 games in one of the last five seasons.

Here is my lineup:

C: Jason Kendall
1B: Ross Gloaf
2B: Yuni
3B: Mark Teahen
SS: Tony Pena Jr.
LF: Gregor Blanco
CF: Josh Anderson
RF: Rick Ankiel
DH: Mike Jacobs

I think I'm too depressed to do pitchers right now, but let's set a minimum of 5 starts in a season to qualify.

I would put Johnny Giavotella in place of Yuni. His defense is just as bad and his bat has been worse. Plus Yuni's natural position is SS, he's only made 55 starts at 2b in his career vs. 950 at SS.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1889692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $16896178 VARSITY	OK...I've done some thinking on this one. Here's my all time terrible Kansas City Royals 25 man roster. Now, my criteria is this: •Players had to spend a decent amount of time actually playing and affecting games, sucking like a hoover. OR... •Player had to have cost us a high draft pick or a shitload of money and delivered NOTHING in return, OR.... •Player had to be acquired in a one-sided terrible trade and burned the team, OR.... •Player had to have been a total A-HOLE and clubhouse cancer. Here it is: 1B: Ken Harvey 2B: Terry Shumpert SS: Neifi Perez 3B: Craig Pauquette C: Ed Hearn LF: Kevin McReynolds CF: Dee Brown RF: Juan Gonzalez DH: Mike Jacobs Starting Pitchers: Scott Anderson Kyle Davies Dan Reichert Runelvys Hernandez Jonathan Sanchez Relievers: Brian Anderson Yasuhiko Yabuta Mark Davis Vin Mazzaro Albie Lopez Closer: Ricky Bottalico Bench: Yuni Betancourt Mark Quinn Tony Pena Jr. Calvin Pickering Mike DiFelice Now that's a stench!
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