Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 105

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

**gblowfish** · 03-20-2013, 12:50 PM

In nine years of managing, Ned Yost's career pct is .465. His average finish is 4th place.

Yip-ee!

KevB · 03-20-2013, 12:56 PM

On Bubba, he's also old for his level (almost 21). Many assumed, given he was a high school kid, that he had years to develop. He does, but he was old for a high schooler. It's a concern if he still can't hit with any consistency. And Rany's take was more an accumulation of opinions he'd gathered from scouts. Something to the effect that he hadn't heard one scout that was bullish on his ability to hit someday at the major league level.

I think we've all assumed that his floor was Drew Stubbs. And that puts him in the majors at some point, but not an impact player.

Demonpenz · 03-20-2013, 01:25 PM

I will say Rany is pessimisstic and has to really try to mindfully provide articles that are positive.

WhawhaWhat · 03-20-2013, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish

In nine years of managing, Ned Yost's career pct is .465. His average finish is 4th place.

Yip-ee!

Joe Torre was .470 for the 15 years before he started managing the Yankees. He's at .539 now. Let's also be honest, managing the Royals isn't ever going to help your win % and it doesn't matter whether the manager is Ned Yost or Joe Torre or Casey Stengel or Earl Weaver.

**DeezNutz** · 03-20-2013, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

I will say Rany is pessimisstic and has to really try to mindfully provide articles that are positive.

Rany is an analyst who follows the Royals, so of course there's more negative things to say than positive; the organization has been a ball of shit.

Completely different subject: why aren't we moving a rather large package of prospects for Stanton? I'd gladly give up Starling, Zimmer, Ventura + some lesser prospects to acquire this player.

Wouldn't even think twice about this price.

duncan_idaho · 03-20-2013, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Rany is an analyst who follows the Royals, so of course there's more negative things to say than positive; the organization has been a ball of shit.

Completely different subject: why aren't we moving a rather large package of prospects for Stanton? I'd gladly give up Starling, Zimmer, Ventura + some lesser prospects to acquire this player.

Wouldn't even think twice about this price.

I'm not sure that would be enough (and Zimmer can't be traded until June, anyway).

Also not sure Miami can afford to actually shop Stanton at this point. The fire sale has them on extremely thing ice in Miami as it is.

**Old Dog** · 03-20-2013, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Infidel Goat

To be honest, he's a guy who is probably just a little shy of a ticket to Cooperstown...

The only way Kendall is getting anywhere near Cooperstown is with a bus ticket.

**gblowfish** · 03-20-2013, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

Joe Torre was .470 for the 15 years before he started managing the Yankees. He's at .539 now. Let's also be honest, managing the Royals isn't ever going to help your win % and it doesn't matter whether the manager is Ned Yost or Joe Torre or Casey Stengel or Earl Weaver.

A dead Earl Weaver is a better manager than a breathing Ned Yost.

WhawhaWhat · 03-20-2013, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish

A dead Earl Weaver is a better manager than a breathing Ned Yost.

Possibly.

My point is that Ned Yost has a .439 win pct with the Royals. Trey Hillman .423, Buddy Bell .399, Tony Pena .410, Tony Muser .424. I don't think it has much to do with who the manager is. Now that I actually took the time to look up the numbers, Ned Yost is the best we have had since Bob Boone at .468!

BlackHelicopters · 03-20-2013, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish

A dead Earl Weaver is a better manager than a breathing Ned Yost.

**DeezNutz** · 03-20-2013, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I'm not sure that would be enough (and Zimmer can't be traded until June, anyway).

Also not sure Miami can afford to actually shop Stanton at this point. The fire sale has them on extremely thing ice in Miami as it is.

True. The year rule is stupid, but I was more trying to throw out names of our top prospects in terms of shaping a package that might start to look like "the motherload."

What do you believe it would take to acquire Stanton?

BlackHelicopters · 03-20-2013, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

True. The year rule is stupid, but I was more trying to throw out names of our top prospects in terms of shaping a package that might start to look like "the motherload."

What do you believe it would take to acquire Stanton?

25 mil a year as a FA?

Fansy the Famous Bard · 03-20-2013, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish

A dead Earl Weaver is a better manager than a breathing Ned Yost.

Chino: "Earl, maybe we should give frenchy the do not steal sign this time"

.....

Chino: "shit there he goes again."

Ok, so they'd basically be the same.

**DeezNutz** · 03-20-2013, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop

25 mil a year as a FA?

Not eligible for FA until 2017, I believe. This is exactly why I'd pretty much sell the farm, literally, to get him.

duncan_idaho · 03-20-2013, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

True. The year rule is stupid, but I was more trying to throw out names of our top prospects in terms of shaping a package that might start to look like "the motherload."

What do you believe it would take to acquire Stanton?

Starling, Zimmer and Ventura, to start. Probably also Jorge Bonifacio and Christian Colon.

I'd expect a reliever to be in the mix as well, and maybe Jason Adam.

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