Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 76

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

**DeezNutz** · 03-03-2013, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic

I don't like to read to much into spring training but this year really does feel different. From all accounts Shields is not only a great pitcher but a great leader in the clubhouse. I think the Royals have a punchers chance of winning the division.

This team has had great springs before and then shit the bed. Hell, we've even led the league in HRs in ST.

That said, Shields is a very, very good pitcher. Don't let my disdain for the trade that brought him here suggest differently. Our rotation is definitively better with him in it.

The question is whether the team is better with Shields, Davis, and Frenchy than it would be with FA + Mendoza + Myers.

I'm betting the latter. However, this still doesn't mean that I'm not going to be ****ing ready for the start of the season.

P.S.: **** the White Sox.

PunkinDrublic · 03-03-2013, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

This team has had great springs before and then shit the bed. Hell, we've even led the league in HRs in ST.

That said, Shields is a very, very good pitcher. Don't let my disdain for the trade that brought him here suggest differently. Our rotation is definitively better with him in it.

The question is whether the team is better with Shields, Davis, and Frenchy than it would be with FA + Mendoza + Myers.

I'm betting the latter. However, this still doesn't mean that I'm not going to be ****ing ready for the start of the season.

P.S.: **** the White Sox.

It is just a hunch. I just feel like with the amount of talent that's been stockpiled, things have to start going the Royals way at some point. Maybe just maybe getting Shields pushes us into contention. I think our young guys being more seasoned is going to be huge.

ROYC75 · 03-03-2013, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic

I don't like to read to much into spring training but this year really does feel different. From all accounts Shields is not only a great pitcher but a great leader in the clubhouse. I think the Royals have a punchers chance of winning the division.

I'll go on record, KC ( 95 - 67 )wins the division.

Look for the Royals to actually have consistency all year and avoid major losing streaks, 3 games max at anytime, only twice all year.

teedubya · 03-03-2013, 06:48 PM

9-0 is an incredible way to start spring ball. What a great confidence boost. Hope we don't blow our load in spring, though.

ROYC75 · 03-03-2013, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by teedubya

9-0 is an incredible way to start spring ball. What a great confidence boost. Hope we don't blow our load in spring, though.

It is, I hope it does not go to their heads.

**lewdog** · 03-03-2013, 07:15 PM

Tops is 90-92 wins if we play out of our minds. I say 82-85 is more realistic if we play to our potential. 70-75 if we play like the Royals normally do.

ChiefsCountry · 03-03-2013, 07:28 PM

I expect a .500 season anything less would not be acceptable.

**DeezNutz** · 03-03-2013, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

I expect a .500 season anything less would not be acceptable.

.500 season is a failure.

You don't trade a premium player in Myers for .500.

**SAUTO** · 03-03-2013, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

.500 season is a failure.

You don't trade a premium player in Myers for .500.

That's exactly where I'm at.
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**DeezNutz** · 03-03-2013, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

That's exactly where I'm at.
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Fist bump.

**Bowser** · 03-03-2013, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teedubya

9-0 is an incredible way to start spring ball. What a great confidence boost. Hope we don't blow our load in spring, though.

We always kick ass in Arizona.

**SAUTO** · 03-03-2013, 08:03 PM

These trades have really deflated me. First Myers and odo, then Alex Smith.
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Raiderhater · 03-03-2013, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

.500 season is a failure.

You don't trade a premium player in Myers for .500.

I would agree under normal circumstances. These aren't normal circumstances. Playing .500 ball would sadly be like playing for the division. Now once that has been accomplished, yeah, time to take the next step.

But it would be down right awesome to see them just skip a step.

Pitt Gorilla · 03-03-2013, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

These trades have really deflated me. First Myers and odo, then Alex Smith.
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I'm not sure we know enough about either trade to be too upset. Justin Smoak says hey.

Demonpenz · 03-03-2013, 08:26 PM

Mark Quinn is will meyers

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