Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 55

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

**lewdog** · 02-16-2013, 09:09 AM

Does someone have a list or would like to tell me how long we have control/contract of our main players (Frenchy not included)?

duncan_idaho · 02-16-2013, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog

Does someone have a list or would like to tell me how long we have control/contract of our main players (Frenchy not included)?

Controll through (year listed counts as year with team)

Perez - 2019
Hosmer - 2017
Getz - who cares/Giovotella 2019
Escobar - 2017
Moustakas - 2017
Gordon -2016
Cain - 2018
Francoeur - 2013
Butler - 2015

Shields - 2014
Guthrie - 2015
Santana - 2013
Davis - 2016
Hochevar - 2013/Chen - 2013

Holland - 2017
Herrerra - 2018
Crow - 2016
Collins - 2017
Danny Duffy - 2017
Felipe Paulino - 2014

**gblowfish** · 02-16-2013, 11:18 AM

Tickets went on sale today. I got 4 for St. Louis and 4 for Tigers on my BD.
This is the first time I've bought Royals tickets in advance in about five years.

And I bought both sets after Mother's Day, so I have expectations....

**lewdog** · 02-16-2013, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Controll through (year listed counts as year with team)

Perez - 2019
Hosmer - 2017
Getz - who cares/Giovotella 2019
Escobar - 2017
Moustakas - 2017
Gordon -2016
Cain - 2018
Francoeur - 2013
Butler - 2015

Shields - 2014
Guthrie - 2015
Santana - 2013
Davis - 2016
Hochevar - 2013/Chen - 2013

Holland - 2017
Herrerra - 2018
Crow - 2016
Collins - 2017
Danny Duffy - 2017
Felipe Paulino - 2014

I knew you would have the answer! Thanks.

So if I order a Moustakas jersey, I should have a few years to wear it barring a trade of some sort?

Mizzou_8541 · 02-16-2013, 11:55 AM

I know it's like day 2 of camp or something, but has anybody heard anything positive or negative from Surprise?

KCUnited · 02-16-2013, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mizzou_8541

I know it's like day 2 of camp or something, but has anybody heard anything positive or negative from Surprise?

Duffy threw 18 pitches off the mound the other day.
Ned thinks Hoch could win 15-18 games this year.
Francouer has one of the best RF arms in the history of the game according to Dayton.

Chiefspants · 02-16-2013, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCUnited

Duffy threw 18 pitches off the mound the other day.
Ned thinks Hoch could win 15-18 games this year.
Francouer has one of the best RF arms in the history of the game according to Dayton.

Where did Hoch end up on the grit metric last year?

**gblowfish** · 02-16-2013, 12:17 PM

Ned is ****ing delusional.

Hoch is Kyle Davies Version 2.0.

Frenchy sucks like a hoover. I'd rather see Dyson in center and Cain in RF.

I rarely agree with KK, but Mendoza should start as our 5th starter. That guy is a bulldog and extremely under-rated.

Mizzou_8541 · 02-16-2013, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCUnited

Duffy threw 18 pitches off the mound the other day.
Ned thinks Hoch could win 15-18 games this year.
Francouer has one of the best RF arms in the history of the game according to Dayton.

Shocking that 2/3 of the "positives" are about players the fans loathe. Why do the Royals feel the need to "sell" Hoch and Francoeur to us if they are already such good players?

**lewdog** · 02-16-2013, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mizzou_8541

I know it's like day 2 of camp or something, but has anybody heard anything positive or negative from Surprise?

I went down there for the workout today. Update coming soon!

**lewdog** · 02-16-2013, 05:31 PM

Sorry for the crappy photos....I only had my cell phone with me today.

Let me preface this story by saying I have never been so close to Major Leaguers in my life. I didn't know if the Royals would be practicing today or even what time, but I went down there about 1 pm and they were all there. Maybe a hundred or so Royals fans as well.

So here is my little story of the day. The Royals were using 4 fields, with players going between them either walking or on golf carts. At one time a golf cart carrying Butler, Hosmer, Escobar, Moose and Perez passed by me. I figured it seemed smart to carry the load of our best players together and make those like Frenchy, Getz and Dyson get the extra work of walking.

Batting practiced looked pretty slow and no one was crushing it. Lorenzo Cain was pretty vocal. He looks way bigger than his height/weight stats.

Didn't see much pitching work today, unless it was already done. Only saw Herrera, Adcock and a few other no name guys.

At some point, Alex Gordon hurt his hand in the batting cage and seemed slightly pissed coming off the field but I doubt it is anything serious.

Autographs are not allowed to be asked for until the until workout is completed. I myself feel very silly being an adult and asking for autographs but I see I am the minority on that as 50 year old men seemingly push their way past children and get what they obviously think is their's.

Butler signed everything handed to him but made some rather sour facial expressions and looked bothered by most of the situation. Hosmer really is the lovable young kid his teammates say he is. Signing autographs for everyone, chatting it up with people and getting down on his knees to take tons of pictures with kids.

Finally a crowd of onlookers completely surrounds the gate to the cart path as none other than George Brett is about to come down. This "chaotic crowd" is a mass of maybe 30-40 people (half of which are kids). Brett, seeing this massive "annoyance", decides he should speed up his pace and trying walking to the locker rooms as fast as he can. He gives a half hearted effort while speed walking to sign two balls before flailing he arms out to the sides and yelling for everyone to "give me some room!" Frenchy is standing next to me watching all this and says to me, "Man, look at ole Brett over there just throwing a tantrum!" Laughing with that "lovable" Frenchy smirk. I wish to God Francouer wasn't such a shitstain of a ball player because he really has a personality you don't see in Major Leaguers. He, like Hosmer, took time to chat and sign whatever was there, laughing and making jokes throughout. Too bad he just can't hit the curve!

Most people, besides a few young ones, totally ignore Yost walking by. As he comes down the path, he say to one of the other coaches, "Can't wait to have a little Jack Daniel's Tennessee Honey whiskey." I agree Yost, and I will probably be having many come June when you have ****ed this season over with some of your shitbrained moves and a continued rotation that features Luke Hochevar. I would also love to see more bunting this year!!!

After being continued to be blown away about how awesome this is, barring in mind I have only ever been to about 10-15 MLB games in my life and never have ever been that close to a MLB ballplayer, I decided I must waited for the last to leave, because there was one player I had yet to see pass by...

Demonpenz · 02-16-2013, 05:37 PM

Brett is just doing his ted Williams impersonation.

Archie F. Swin · 02-16-2013, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog

like a muther*****in BAUCE!

**gblowfish** · 02-16-2013, 07:17 PM

You should have asked George to tell you the story about when he shit himself at the Bellagio....

BlackHelicopters · 02-16-2013, 07:47 PM

Hoch 15-18 wins? Impossible to comprehend.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1889692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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02-16-2013, 05:31 PM	#821
lewdog Mod Team Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Valley of the hot as **** Casino cash: $-1348100	Sorry for the crappy photos....I only had my cell phone with me today. Let me preface this story by saying I have never been so close to Major Leaguers in my life. I didn't know if the Royals would be practicing today or even what time, but I went down there about 1 pm and they were all there. Maybe a hundred or so Royals fans as well. So here is my little story of the day. The Royals were using 4 fields, with players going between them either walking or on golf carts. At one time a golf cart carrying Butler, Hosmer, Escobar, Moose and Perez passed by me. I figured it seemed smart to carry the load of our best players together and make those like Frenchy, Getz and Dyson get the extra work of walking. Batting practiced looked pretty slow and no one was crushing it. Lorenzo Cain was pretty vocal. He looks way bigger than his height/weight stats. Didn't see much pitching work today, unless it was already done. Only saw Herrera, Adcock and a few other no name guys. At some point, Alex Gordon hurt his hand in the batting cage and seemed slightly pissed coming off the field but I doubt it is anything serious. Autographs are not allowed to be asked for until the until workout is completed. I myself feel very silly being an adult and asking for autographs but I see I am the minority on that as 50 year old men seemingly push their way past children and get what they obviously think is their's. Butler signed everything handed to him but made some rather sour facial expressions and looked bothered by most of the situation. Hosmer really is the lovable young kid his teammates say he is. Signing autographs for everyone, chatting it up with people and getting down on his knees to take tons of pictures with kids. Finally a crowd of onlookers completely surrounds the gate to the cart path as none other than George Brett is about to come down. This "chaotic crowd" is a mass of maybe 30-40 people (half of which are kids). Brett, seeing this massive "annoyance", decides he should speed up his pace and trying walking to the locker rooms as fast as he can. He gives a half hearted effort while speed walking to sign two balls before flailing he arms out to the sides and yelling for everyone to "give me some room!" Frenchy is standing next to me watching all this and says to me, "Man, look at ole Brett over there just throwing a tantrum!" Laughing with that "lovable" Frenchy smirk. I wish to God Francouer wasn't such a shitstain of a ball player because he really has a personality you don't see in Major Leaguers. He, like Hosmer, took time to chat and sign whatever was there, laughing and making jokes throughout. Too bad he just can't hit the curve! Most people, besides a few young ones, totally ignore Yost walking by. As he comes down the path, he say to one of the other coaches, "Can't wait to have a little Jack Daniel's Tennessee Honey whiskey." I agree Yost, and I will probably be having many come June when you have ****ed this season over with some of your shitbrained moves and a continued rotation that features Luke Hochevar. I would also love to see more bunting this year!!! After being continued to be blown away about how awesome this is, barring in mind I have only ever been to about 10-15 MLB games in my life and never have ever been that close to a MLB ballplayer, I decided I must waited for the last to leave, because there was one player I had yet to see pass by...
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