Chiefs Is Hunt Telling The Truth? - Page 21

**BossChief** · 01-01-2013, 03:04 PM

Don't want to start a panic, but I know we are all thinking the same thing even if we want to ignore it. Clark SAYS he is gonna hire a vet coach that's experienced in what we need and that Pioli won't play a part in the search, but then we keep hearing about guys Pioli has connections with getting interviews and how Clark hasn't even contacted Andy Reid.

I may be jumping the gun here, but this is starting to remind me of last years "we are gonna bring in qb competition" talks that we all know how that ended.

Is this a "fool me once..." type scenario or are all the tree coaches interviewing just bs leaked by Pioli to create the impression he still has his nuts?

Should we be pissed?

Rexx · 01-01-2013, 06:10 PM

Pertaining to the thread...as of now, I'd say we have been mislead a tad or Clark is sending smoke for tactical reasons. Koetter, Ferentz, and Armstrong all reek of Pioli being involved which is not in tune with what Clark said on the radio.

At this point, I have no idea of what is happening. Either he is doing a great job of misdirection or he is about to give us fans the finger! I would feel better if a Reid, Cowher or Gruden visit was scheduled or announced. Pretty nervous times for me as if Pioli returns, I'm pretty much done with the team.

Hammock Parties · 01-01-2013, 06:11 PM

SOC isn't a concern for any real NFL stud worth his whistle.

The only reason it existed was because a passionate fanbase encountered legendary incompetence.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-01-2013, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Um, Seattle had some success with Holmgren. The downfall was not replacing the older players and having a successor for Hasselbeck in place.

Some success.

Great.

And what was the downfall again? Not having a successor for an already non-elite QB?

Like I said, Rex Grossman appeared in a SB.

Marc Bulger put up numbers.

That doesn't make them great QB's.

Someone trying to sell me on a 65 year old Mike Holmgren - who was an absolute failure in Cleveland - using Matt Hasselbeck as some sort of evidence?

Awesome.

**** it, he coached Brett Favre and Steve Young.

So did Steve Mariucci, and I don't see anyone sucking his dick.

**dirk digler** · 01-01-2013, 06:12 PM

I am always skeptical when it comes to the Chiefs but I totally agree with what Reaper said in post #34.

I will add that if Clark is lying he certainly deserves an Oscar for that performance yesterday.

Chief Faithful · 01-01-2013, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

You are telling me you'd rather have Clark Hunt select your head coach than Ron Wolf? Ok.

Nope, not what I said at all. I was responding to your comment about Clark Hunts lack of football knowledge and not using a consultant. I was saying Clark Hunt has consultants and knows more about football then you will ever know.

aturnis · 01-01-2013, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Gruden loves trash qbs.

He likes smart QB's.

NJChiefsFan · 01-01-2013, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Why do you think that? What's the Alex smith connection I'm missing.

Look at the QB's he had in TB. Add to that what I have heard him say and felt he really meant. I don't see any reason to think the guy is going to come out and groom a young QB.

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Originally Posted by aturnis

I think it's likely he doesn't criticize b/c he planned on returning to coaching, and didn’t want to bad mouth someone who might wind up as one of his players...

Maybe.

Brock · 01-01-2013, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

He likes smart QB's.

He loves 3 yard passes.

NJChiefsFan · 01-01-2013, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

He likes smart QB's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...g_quarterbacks

2002-2008.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-01-2013, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

He likes smart QB's.

99% of QB's are smart, it's a prerequisite for the position.

A much lower percentage are smart AND talented.

Ryan Fitzpatrick graduated from Harvard.

I sure as **** don't want him as my QB.

htismaqe · 01-01-2013, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

If you have a son who simply hangs around your business, never really gets his hands dirty or pays extreme attention, would he have your level of expertise?

That's an improper question.

The proper question would be: does he have enough expertise to DO THE JOB.

**Baby Lee** · 01-01-2013, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Rex Grossman appeared in a SB too.

Sorry, but Matt Hasselbeck isn't going to put anyone over the top for a 65 year old Mike Holmgren.

See, this is whole line of reasoning dovetails with the 'draft a QB, any QB, and if he sucks draft another' line of thinking that simply drives me crazy.

I can understand pining for great QB play in light of the HORRIBLE QB play we've endured but just as 'not as bad =! good' is apt, so too is 'the only alternative to horrible is spectacular' inapt.

We don't need a QB who throws 50x a game for 400+ yards every time out. We need one who doesn't make mistakes and makes clutch plays when needed. As much as the league has favored the passing game, and franchise QBs dominate the SB champ ranks, they're still not pass, pass, pass and ignore the rest of the team rosters. All the franchise QBs have gone through their game manager eras. Those like Eli, Ben, even going back to Elway have traits of stinking for 3/4 then turning it on in the crunch. Others like Aikman game managed throughout. All won with their defenses playing at their peak.

This is a knock on singlemindedness more than anything else.

FloridaMan88 · 01-01-2013, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

That is a very odd analysis. Clark Hunt grew up in the center of the NFL universe his family part of the very fabric of the league. Clark Hunt is more connected than Ron Wolf will ever be and is engaged in discussions with other owners at a level few GM's are invited to witness. All he has to do is ask and there are a legion of consultants with the best NFL pedigree at his finger tips. Clark Hunt does not need Scott Pioli it is the other way around.

Clark Hunt trusts Marty Schottenhiemer and I hope he is making use of that relationship as Marty will give good advice.

Marty's advice earlier this season was for Clark to be patient and stick with Romeo and Fat Scott.

Where is this "good advice" you speak of?

**dirk digler** · 01-01-2013, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Some success.

Great.

And what was the downfall again? Not having a successor for an already non-elite QB?

Like I said, Rex Grossman appeared in a SB.

Marc Bulger put up numbers.

That doesn't make them great QB's.

Someone trying to sell me on a 65 year old Mike Holmgren - who was an absolute failure in Cleveland - using Matt Hasselbeck as some sort of evidence?

Awesome.

**** it, he coached Brett Favre and Steve Young.

So did Steve Mariucci, and I don't see anyone sucking his dick.

No thanks to Holmgren too.

Add Gruden to the no list as well.

You want a QB friendly HC that has HC experience, Bruce Arians should be the #1 pick of Clark.

aturnis · 01-01-2013, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

Look at the QB's he had in TB. Add to that what I have heard him say and felt he really meant. I don't see any reason to think the guy is going to come out and groom a young QB.

Maybe.

Honestly, I was the first to criticize Gruden's apparent man love for Matt Cassel earlier this season. It didn't make any sense. Then I realized he never criticizes anyone. Like ever. So I changed my tune on him.

If you've ever seen the guy coach, and how he leads his players, it's very hard not to like Gruden.

01-01-2013, 03:04 PM
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Rexx Seeing Red! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: NM, USA Casino cash: $9965814	Pertaining to the thread...as of now, I'd say we have been mislead a tad or Clark is sending smoke for tactical reasons. Koetter, Ferentz, and Armstrong all reek of Pioli being involved which is not in tune with what Clark said on the radio. At this point, I have no idea of what is happening. Either he is doing a great job of misdirection or he is about to give us fans the finger! I would feel better if a Reid, Cowher or Gruden visit was scheduled or announced. Pretty nervous times for me as if Pioli returns, I'm pretty much done with the team.
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01-01-2013, 06:12 PM	#304
dirk digler Please squeeze Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $214644	I am always skeptical when it comes to the Chiefs but I totally agree with what Reaper said in post #34. I will add that if Clark is lying he certainly deserves an Oscar for that performance yesterday.
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