Chiefs Clark Hunt Statement - Page 104

ShowtimeSBMVP · 10:00 AM

"I have a tremendous amount of respect and admiration for Romeo, both personally and professionally," Chiefs Chairman and CEO Clark Hunt said. "He is an accomplished coach, a man of great character and he helped guide our football team through some extremely challenging circumstances this season.

"However, I am embarrassed by the poor product we gave our fans this season, and I believe we have no choice but to move the franchise in a different direction. I will immediately begin the search for the next head coach of the Chiefs. The entire football operation will remain under review, and there may be additional changes to come. No final determination has been made at this point on the future of General Manager Scott Pioli.

"Finally, I want to personally apologize to our fans for our performance this season. We are blessed to play for some of the best and most passionate fans in the National Football League and they deserve better than what we gave them this season. I want our fans to know that I will do everything I can to provide them with a dramatically better team - both next season and in the seasons to come - and our entire organization appreciates their support."

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Hammock Parties · 12-31-2012, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I don't want a retread HC, or a HC with total control.

But IMO, Billick is the best of those that meat that criteria.

So Billick is going to make NFL history?

This is what you are betting on if you hire him.

Molitoth · 12-31-2012, 04:31 PM

Eventually a SuperBowl winning coach will win a SB with another team, then all of this can't be done talk can end.

DJ's left nut · 12-31-2012, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

It amazes me that drafturbators, defenders of the 1st round QB above other statistical outliers, are defending retread SB winning head coaches, which is an even lower statistical outlier.

Billick, Gruden, Cowher? **** all of them. History says they won't win another SB.

Arians, Reid, Kelly, these are our best options.

History also says that if Payton had not re-upped in NOLA, we'd have been doomed had we signed him.

This is stupid. This is, in fact, very stupid. I've written a veritable treatise on the fallacy of the 'prior SB winning HC' argument around here somewhere, but I don't think it's likely I'll be able to find it.

The bottom line is that most coaches don't win a SB with a second team because winning a SB is really really ****ing hard and most coaches win all their SBs in a very short timeline with the same team. Lightening in a bottle, so to speak.

Pasta Little Brioni · 12-31-2012, 04:31 PM

Cowher has proven that if you give him a mediocre QB he'll take you to the postseason and with a high level QB that he'll win a Super Bowl. Not sure what's not to like about that. He has to know by personal experience that's what it takes to get over the hump.

**DeezNutz** · 12-31-2012, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And losing them.

Hey, if you want to live in the 1990's, it's your choice.

I'll take the guy who knows a thing about a passing offense, and has experience drafting a defensive powerhouse.

I'll also take the guy who isn't being hired in part because of his connection to the franchise and his ability to sell tickets.

As a HC, the numbers don't support this, and trying to claim otherwise requires one to make excuses.

If we're going to say SB or bust, then we have to take the same approach to evaluating Billick's offensive acumen as a HC: results or bust. And he busted, which is a large reason why he was fired. The numbers don't lie.

Edit: only wanted to bold the part about passing offense.

ToxSocks · 12-31-2012, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

It amazes me that drafturbators, defenders of the 1st round QB above other statistical outliers, are defending retread SB winning head coaches, which is an even lower statistical outlier.

Billick, Gruden, Cowher? **** all of them. History says they won't win another SB.

Arians, Reid, Kelly, these are our best options.

get out of here. You don't even know how this conversation started.

htismaqe · 12-31-2012, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And losing them.

Hey, if you want to live in the 1990's, it's your choice.

I'll take the guy who knows a thing about a passing offense, and has experience drafting a defensive powerhouse.

I'll also take the guy who isn't being hired in part because of his connection to the franchise and his ability to sell tickets.

Yep.

Hiring Cowher just feels like dating your ex-girlfriend's younger sister. No thanks.

WildTurkey · 12-31-2012, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I'd be fine with around 20.

In a Reid offense I'd think he'd be close to 20 touches if you count receptions Reid likes to use backs in the passing game quite a bit

DJ's left nut · 12-31-2012, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

It amazes me that drafturbators, defenders of the 1st round QB above other statistical outliers, are defending retread SB winning head coaches, which is an even lower statistical outlier.

Billick, Gruden, Cowher? **** all of them. History says they won't win another SB.

Arians, Reid, Kelly, these are our best options.

Here - I've spoken to this already:

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

So you wouldn't hire Sean Payton or Mike McCarthy?

Super Bowls are freakin' hard to win. That's why guys don't just leave and win them elsewhere. There have been 13 coaches to win the SB multiple times in the entire modern era. Those 13 head coaches all won their SBs within an extremely tight period of time. Why? Because it takes a special blend of players, oftentimes one or two players in particular to win a SB. He doesn't have that guy elsewhere.

Look at this list - the Coach, followed by the number of SBs won and years from first to last:

Noll -- 4 in 6 yrs
Belichick -- 3 in 4
Gibbs -- 3 in 10 (nearest to an outlier)
Walsh -- 3 in 8
Coughlin -- 2 in 5
Flores -- 2 in 4
Jimmy Johnson -- 2 in 2
Landry -- 2 in 7 (despite coaching forever)
Lombardi -- 2 in 2 (though there was the pre-merger years)
Parcells -- 2 in 5
Seifert -- 2 in 6
Shanny -- 2 in 2
Shula -- 2 in 2

That's right - even Don Shula only had a 2 year burst in the middle of his career where he actually won a SB.

Guys don't win multiple SBs, not because they don't remember how, but because it's really goddamn hard to do. And the guys that have managed it managed it because they had quick bursts of great talent. They don't leave those bursts of great talent so sometimes they manage to win another championship with it.

There's absolutely no causal connection between winning a SB with one team and not being able to win it with another. At it's very best, it's a stupid superstition.

If you hire Bill Cowher and give him commensurate talent, he's going to be capable of winning a SB. This team, with these parts and an above average QB - has commensurate talent. He can win here and win huge.

Of all the exceedingly stupid arguments I've heard w/r/t our next head coach, this is unquestionably the dumbest.

Titty Meat · 12-31-2012, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Yep.

Hiring Cowher just feels like dating your ex-girlfriend's younger sister. No thanks.

If the head right clarks there ay night

AdumbGuy · 12-31-2012, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Whuh?

He's run the same system every year he's been in Philly. He's drafted players to fit the scheme, not vice versa.

He likes his mobile, rollout QBs with a verticle passing game. He likes his jitterbug runningbacks that catch out of the backfield. Andy Reid has a system and he's going to draft players to fit it.

I honestly don't have a huge issue with that, but it is what it is. He's going to get a nice offense installed wherever...provided that he's able to get his head into the game.

I just worry where his mind is going to be right now. I really think he (and his employer, this year or the next) would be better served by him stepping away from the game for a year and getting his mind right. The last few years have to have been brutal on him personally and that's a recipe for coach burnout if ever there was.

As much as I like andy reid, this is my thinking as well for why I wouldn't want him for a coach this upcoming year. He didn't seem to be able to make any adjustments which he's normally not that bad at. Burnout sounds about right

ToxSocks · 12-31-2012, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

History also says that if Payton had not re-upped in NOLA, we'd have been doomed had we signed him.

This is stupid. This is, in fact, very stupid. I've written a veritable treatise on the fallacy of the 'prior SB winning HC' argument around here somewhere, but I don't think it's likely I'll be able to find it.

The bottom line is that most coaches don't win a SB with a second team because winning a SB is really really ****ing hard and most coaches win all their SBs in a very short timeline with the same team. Lightening in a bottle, so to speak.

Exactly. If i had to pick between the two, give me the guy who routinely had his team in a position to make a run. Once you're in the playoffs, you got a chance, and Cowher did a better job of that.

Hammock Parties · 12-31-2012, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Overall, I think Reid is the guy I want. Best of the bad.

This notion that Reid is "bad" is very wrong.

There is nothing "bad" about 130-93 and 10 playoff wins.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-31-2012, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

So Billick is going to make NFL history?

This is what you are betting on if you hire him.

Chip Kelly isn't Jesus Christ either.

Clark's the one painting this organization into a corner by wanting to hire a guy and give him complete control.

Rams Fan · 12-31-2012, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

So Billick is going to make NFL history?

This is what you are betting on if you hire him.

Samething with any other team that has a hired a HC who previously won a SB else where. Eventually it will happen.

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