Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 17

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

mr. tegu · 12-12-2012, 02:24 PM

It was interesting to hear Yost reference All Star weekend last season in the press conference introducing the new guys. That weekend really showed Glass that if he puts something out there, we will come.

**Saul Good** · 12-12-2012, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

It didn't.

The Orioles were incredibly good/lucky in one-run games. You outperformed your pythag ratings by 11 games, the most in baseball by far. It was nearly 2x as big a difference as the next-closest team (San Francisco).

16-2 in extra innings. (next closest was 11-5. 20 percent gap in WP%)
29-9 in one run games. (+10 compared to league average)

Those are ratios that are highly unlikely to be repeated. Yes, Baltimore had an excellent bullpen in 2012... but even a LITTLE slippage from that group could blow up a lot of what made Baltimore's

It's perfectly possible Baltimore will win just as much in 2013, but the O's would need to be a much better team to do that. It's also possible the O's are actually BETTER in 2013 than 2012 but have a worse record.

You're going to need to trim this down to 140 characters if you expect him to understand it.

duncan_idaho · 12-12-2012, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

You're going to need to trim this down to 140 characters if you expect him to understand it.

And get Danny Knobler to re-tweet it, right? Then it's legit...

Ceej · 12-12-2012, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Nope we will see in 2013 what happens. No need to talk about it.

You post like how I imagine a caveman would.

Prison Bitch · 12-12-2012, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

It didn't.

The Orioles were incredibly good/lucky in one-run games. You outperformed your pythag ratings by 11 games, the most in baseball by far. It was nearly 2x as big a difference as the next-closest team (San Francisco).

16-2 in extra innings. (next closest was 11-5. 20 percent gap in WP%)
29-9 in one run games. (+10 compared to league average)

Those are ratios that are highly unlikely to be repeated. Yes, Baltimore had an excellent bullpen in 2012... but even a LITTLE slippage from that group could blow up a lot of what made Baltimore's

It's perfectly possible Baltimore will win just as much in 2013, but the O's would need to be a much better team to do that. It's also possible the O's are actually BETTER in 2013 than 2012 but have a worse record.

Spot on. Math is very clear that the O's are in trouble if they don't improve their actual team.

**alnorth** · 12-12-2012, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

CAIRO 2013 v0.2’s Extremely Early and Completely Useless 2013 Projected MLB Standings

Thats really only because the rosters arent set yet. Free agents need to be signed, players traded, they usually wait till spring training to release computer simulations. It doesn't mean CAIRO's useless, just that its too early because other teams aren't set yet.

Cephalic Trauma · 12-12-2012, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CJizzles

You post like how I imagine a caveman would.

Perfectly characterized

**RockChalk** · 12-12-2012, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

This thread is starting to already develop a slight case of the AIDS.

Right about when C&O's showed up swinging his little infected dick around

**lewdog** · 12-12-2012, 07:56 PM

Stoked to be living here for Royals Spring Training games! I know one poster on here makes the visit down here but can't remember who it is??? I thought tickets would be a bit cheaper than $20 a pop but I will be going to a handful of games anyway.

Saturday, Feb. 23 2:05 pm Rangers
Monday, Feb. 25 2:05 pm D-backs
Wednesday, Feb. 27 2:05 pm Brewers
Friday, March 1 2:05 pm Reds
Saturday, March 2 2:05 pm Giants
Tuesday, March 5 2:05 pm Athletics
Thursday, March 7 2:05 pm Mariners
Friday, March 8 2:05 pm Indians
Sunday, March 10 3:05 pm Angels
Wednesday, March 13 3:05 pm Mariners
Friday, March 15 3:05 pm Padres
Sunday, March 17 3:05 pm White Sox
Tuesday, March 19 3:05 pm Rockies
Wednesday, March 20 3:05 pm Dodgers
Saturday, March 23 3:05 pm D-backs
Monday, March 25 8:10 pm Dodgers
Wednesday, March 27 8:10 pm Cubs
Friday, March 29 2:05 pm Indians

ImAWalkingCorpse · 12-12-2012, 08:02 PM

Why is the Orioles fan in this thread?

**RockChalk** · 12-12-2012, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ImAWalkingCorpse

Why is the Orioles fan in this thread?

To be an annoying troll and post twitter crap most of us already know

stonedstooge · 12-12-2012, 08:15 PM

Pitchers and catchers report in 60 days

Nightfyre · 12-12-2012, 09:00 PM

I wonder if the Army would let me take leave from flight school to go to spring training....

KCUnited · 12-12-2012, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog

Stoked to be living here for Royals Spring Training games! I know one poster on here makes the visit down here but can't remember who it is??? I thought tickets would be a bit cheaper than $20 a pop but I will be going to a handful of games anyway.

Saturday, Feb. 23 2:05 pm Rangers
Monday, Feb. 25 2:05 pm D-backs
Wednesday, Feb. 27 2:05 pm Brewers
Friday, March 1 2:05 pm Reds
Saturday, March 2 2:05 pm Giants
Tuesday, March 5 2:05 pm Athletics
Thursday, March 7 2:05 pm Mariners
Friday, March 8 2:05 pm Indians
Sunday, March 10 3:05 pm Angels
Wednesday, March 13 3:05 pm Mariners
Friday, March 15 3:05 pm Padres
Sunday, March 17 3:05 pm White Sox
Tuesday, March 19 3:05 pm Rockies
Wednesday, March 20 3:05 pm Dodgers
Saturday, March 23 3:05 pm D-backs
Monday, March 25 8:10 pm Dodgers
Wednesday, March 27 8:10 pm Cubs
Friday, March 29 2:05 pm Indians

I'll be down for a week on 3/21. My brother is coming down from Kalispell to meet us, you guys could talk about shoes that look like tennis rackets.

**lewdog** · 12-12-2012, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCUnited

I'll be down for a week on 3/21. My brother is coming down from Kalispell to meet us, you guys could talk about shoes that look like tennis rackets.

All fellow Montanans are good in my book! Tell him to leave his snow shoes at home.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1889692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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