Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 11

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

**BigRedChief** · 12-11-2012, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

The ****?

Everyone of those pitchers have potential to be #1 or #2 starters on a playoff team. They all have 6 years of control left to their "owners". Thats as expensive as trades get.

Prison Bitch · 12-11-2012, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Everyone of those pitchers have potential to be #1 or #2 starters on a playoff team. They all have 6 years of control left to their "owners". Thats as expensive as trades get.

Over-rate much?

**alnorth** · 12-11-2012, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I'm by no mean saying that's what I expect the lineup to put up (And if that did happen, I'd expect them to be over 800 runs).

Just listing best case scenarios, IMO, from each of them. Not what I actually expect to see ...

Suppose they did?

*close eyes*

*drool*

**doomy3** · 12-11-2012, 08:26 PM

Cleveland getting Stubbs and Trevor Bauer for Choo. Pretty nice haul.

stonedstooge · 12-11-2012, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

Cleveland getting Stubbs and Trevor Bauer for Choo. Pretty nice haul.

**** Choo

**DeezNutz** · 12-11-2012, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Everyone of those pitchers have potential to be #1 or #2 starters on a playoff team. They all have 6 years of control left to their "owners". Thats as expensive as trades get.

Equating any "pitching prospect" to Myers in terms of value is very flawed.

Prison Bitch · 12-11-2012, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

Cleveland getting Stubbs and Trevor Bauer for Choo. Pretty nice haul.

That is a nice deal for Cleveland. NOw they need to move Cabrera who is a really nice trade chip. Choo is a very good player however, very similar to Billy Butler in player value, so this does prove yet again that acquiring pitching is very expensive. I wouldn't trade Butler for Bauer but I think the Royals are a much better team the next two years overall than Cleveland looks to be.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 12-11-2012, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Everyone of those pitchers have potential to be #1 or #2 starters on a playoff team. They all have 6 years of control left to their "owners". Thats as expensive as trades get.

The Academy thinks you might be full of shit.

**BigRedChief** · 12-11-2012, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Equating any "pitching prospect" to Myers in terms of value is very flawed.

Maybe but its a moot point now.

Anyway, I hope you fans get to have some fun this summer. Let's have the I-75 Series II.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 12-11-2012, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Maybe but its a moot point now.

Anyway, I hope you fans get to have some fun this summer. Let's have the I-75 Series II.

That would be cool as long as we win again, otherwise it would suck.

**BigRedChief** · 12-11-2012, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever

That would be cool as long as we win again, otherwise it would suck.

Wellll it would be hard to have an I-75 series II without the both of us. It's a deal. Win-Win for everyone

But, seriously both times we won lately, we stunk it up and barely got into the playoffs. We just got hot at the right time. That could happen for the Royals too.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 12-11-2012, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Wellll it would be hard to have an I-75 series II without the both of us. It's a deal. Win-Win for everyone

But more of a win for us... that's the most important thing.

**DeezNutz** · 12-11-2012, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Maybe but its a moot point now.

Anyway, I hope you fans get to have some fun this summer. Let's have the I-75 Series II.

Jenson71 · 12-11-2012, 08:43 PM

Spring can't get here fast enough.

**BigRedChief** · 12-11-2012, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever

But more of a win for us... that's the most important thing.

hey I going all cumbaya and you go all partisan.... where's that damn Derkinger call pic?

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1889692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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