Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 7

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

Strongside · 12-11-2012, 03:40 PM

It makes me feel so much better about this trade knowing that we stole him while the Tigers were trying to get him. Seriously, **** those guys.

mr. tegu · 12-11-2012, 03:44 PM

The Tigers interest now makes it more clear why the reports came out that they didn't want the Royals to get him. That and the fact that they are scared of us! We got this!

KCUnited · 12-11-2012, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Strongside

It makes me feel so much better about this trade knowing that we stole him while the Tigers were trying to get him. Seriously, **** those guys.

We didn't steal shit.

Prison Bitch · 12-11-2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by stevenidol

Avisail Garcia was the top guy they offered among others.

So he's their #2 prospect and not in any top-30 lists I can find. I don't see what's so impressive about him. He was their #10 guy last year. And what else goes with him? Would have to be Castellanos + Avasail and who needs a 3B in Tampa?

baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2013/2614333.html

Hootie · 12-11-2012, 04:16 PM

I tell you what...

If we managed to somehow trade a few more prospects (at this point, we're all in) to land Dickey...sign me up.

duncan_idaho · 12-11-2012, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt Tasty Cheeks

I tell you what...

If we managed to somehow trade a few more prospects (at this point, we're all in) to land Dickey...sign me up.

Yeah, that would be an incredible coup.

Not sure what the Mets are looking for in return, but MLB ready bat is the main indication I've seen.

If that's the case, KC doesn't really match up. If they're willing to take guys that are lower in the system/farther away, then you might be able to talk.

Texas is in the mix, reportedly, for Dickey. Or at least kicking the tires. If they're willing to move Mike Olt, KC is in the same situation the Tigers were on Shields. Just not able to match...

siberian khatru · 12-11-2012, 04:29 PM

I'm not averse to trading a bullpen arm for a RF

duncan_idaho · 12-11-2012, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

I was thinking of J.P. Ricciardi.

I always have a hard time keep him and De Podesta straight. Not sure why.

Brainfart moment.

mr. tegu · 12-11-2012, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

I'm not averse to trading a bullpen arm for a RF

I would hate to see anyone leave our pen. It is so good and with an improved rotation in front of them they could be unhittable. Surely we have a few players in the minors that could net us a serviceable RF.

siberian khatru · 12-11-2012, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

I would hate to see anyone leave our pen. It is so good and with an improved rotation in front of them they could be unhittable. Surely we have a few players in the minors that could net us a serviceable RF.

I'm fine with that. It's just that a team might want more immediate help. If we could get a decent RF only for a bullpen arm, I'd rather deal from strength to shore up a big weakness. I wonder what Crow might bring.

mr. tegu · 12-11-2012, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

I'm fine with that. It's just that a team might want more immediate help. If we could get a decent RF only for a bullpen arm, I'd rather deal from strength to shore up a big weakness. I wonder what Crow might bring.

He would probably bring the most since other teams will still feel he can be made into a starter. And actually, of all the guys, he is the one I least trust.

Fansy the Famous Bard · 12-11-2012, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

I'm fine with that. It's just that a team might want more immediate help. If we could get a decent RF only for a bullpen arm, I'd rather deal from strength to shore up a big weakness. I wonder what Crow might bring.

I would rather see a guy like Cody Ross on a 1-year deal in RF than Frenchy.

CoMoChief · 12-11-2012, 04:47 PM

Crow needs to be a 7th-8th inning set up man

Hootie · 12-11-2012, 04:49 PM

Yeah I don't think we can afford to give away any of our MLB bats.

I really like our core of Cain, Gordon, Moustakas, Escobar, Hosmer, Perez and Butler. There are far worse lineups than that...in fact, if a few of those guys take a marginal step or two, that might even be considered an elite lineup.

We'd have an elite lineup, with an elite bullpen, and a decent rotation. Give us a couple of bounces and I don't see why we can't compete for the division.

Hootie · 12-11-2012, 04:50 PM

even with Frenchy and whoever plays 2nd batting 8th and 9th (though I'm sure Frenchy will hit 6th or 7th for some reason.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1889692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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12-11-2012, 04:50 PM	#105
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	even with Frenchy and whoever plays 2nd batting 8th and 9th (though I'm sure Frenchy will hit 6th or 7th for some reason.
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