2012 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread

[alnorth]

2012 Slogan: Our Time

A better, more accurate 2012 Slogan: It is Finally Next Year
(from Great Expectations)

An alternative slogan if you don't like that one: Someone has to win this crappy division
(from alnorth)

With the beginning of a new year, it is time for the 2012 version of the Royals Repository Thread. We've got Hosmer, we've got a 2011-dominating Gordon, we've got Moose, we've got hopefully a killer bullpen, we've got a stereotypical slow slugging DH, we've got easily one of the best defensive shortstops in the AL, we've got a promising catcher in Salvador Perez. Hell, we've got offense and promising prospects galore.

We do not have starting pitching.

Oh yeah, we've also got this:



Get ready for, (as of January 2012 anyway), one of the most confusing puzzles of a baseball season in recent Royals history. Will they suck? Maybe, I don't know. Will we be given a year of 0.500 baseball? Possibly, I don't know. Will they win the division and go to the playoffs for the first time in 27 years? For the first time in a long time, it could happen, I don't know. 92 losses, 92 wins, or anything in between would not surprise a lot of us.

Everything goes here except Gameday threads and really big news. If a giant story breaks, the Royals achieve some awesome milestone, or we sign/lose a highly significant player/coach/mascot/whatever, then it might also deserve its own thread. This being Chiefs Planet, please do not clutter the board with new threads about trivial Royals news or you will only annoy those who come here for just Chiefs football. If you aren't sure and its not a Gameday thread, it goes here.

What sort of stuff often goes here? SPchief explained it well, so I'll just copy that:

If you locate something of interest.. ANYTHING.. deals on apparel, best ways in/out of the stadium, giveaways, great stories from this season or from seasons gone by, rumors, trades, anything.... feel free to post it here.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by 58kcfan89

Haven't posted here often because I'd rather read most of the takes here than offer my own, mainly because a large majority of you know baseball better than I do.

But Jebus, what in the hell is Dayton thinking? I understand you need to win now, but did this really make you considerably better? I feel like this takes us from a bad team to a below average team. Definitely don't think this makes us contenders with Detroit and I have my doubts that we can compete for a wild card, too.

Since I saw the news during the end of the SNF game, I feel like I've been punched in the gut. For the first time in my lifelong (23 yrs old) Royals fanhood, I don't feel like I can support this team anymore. I'm seriously considering jumping on the Rays bandwagon (or any team not named the Pirates, really) until either DM gets fired, Glass sells, or both things come to pass. I'm just so very tired of losing every year and I don't think 2013 will be much different.

I'm going to try to go to sleep. I'm sure when I wake up, I'll still be a dumbass Royals fan despite tonight's happenings.

Anyway, go back to discussing the trade, I enjoy all the different views.

I initially thought about this as well, but I am giving Dayton one more year of my committed fanship before I make such a decision. He has sold the farm to win in 2013-2014, and to have done so puts his job on the line. Okay Dayton, the deal is done, now it's time to put up or shut up. If Myers goes in a Brandon Wood like direction, (his propensity to the strikeout was always a concern) and the Royals make the playoffs sometime in the next two years, Moore could end up looking like a genius. Heck, I'll even take Myers turning out as a stud if it means the Royals become a legitimate competitor, we haven't had this in what, 26 years?

But this is it, Dayton, if this doesn't work, Goooodbye.

[58kcfan89]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

I initially thought about this as well, but I am giving Dayton one more year of my committed fanship before I make such a decision. He has sold the farm to win in 2013-2014, and to have done so puts his job on the line. Okay Dayton, the deal is done, now it's time to put up or shut up. If Myers goes in a Brandon Wood like direction, (his propensity to the strikeout was always a concern) and the Royals make the playoffs sometime in the next two years, Moore could end up looking like a genius. Heck, I'll even take Myers turning out as a stud if it means the Royals become a legitimate competitor, we haven't had this in what, 26 years?

But this is it, Dayton, if this doesn't work, Goooodbye.

Fair enough. Like I said, I'll probably (who am I kidding? I know I'm going to) stick with them this year. If it works, great. If it doesn't, Moore likely gets fired and I have hope again with a new GM. Which keeps me on for another 5+ years. Relationship continues....

[Ebolapox]

well, this is the trade that hurts. hurts really bad, honestly. ****. now, off to bed. work comes in the morning regardless of what the royals do to **** me.

[Ebolapox]

well, this is the trade that hurts. hurts really bad, honestly. ****. now, off to bed. work comes in the morning regardless of what the royals do to **** me.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by 58kcfan89

Fair enough. Like I said, I'll probably (who am I kidding? I know I'm going to) stick with them this year. If it works, great. If it doesn't, Moore likely gets fired and I have hope again with a new GM. Which keeps me on for another 5+ years. Relationship continues....

Correct me if I'm wrong guys, but is this our rotation for 2014 as it stands now?

Shields
Duffy
Guthrie
Lamb (might be early)
Paulino/Zimmer/Ventura/Mendoza

If Hosmer and Moose bounce back, Sal and Gordon produce (with Butler contributing about 30 HR's) and if our pen continues it's dominance, we could be a competitive force.

/Icandreamright?

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by stevenidol

but fans of winning teams want to win now. .

And yet, here we are making a trade with a team that DOES win now. And they were all too glad to do this deal. I guess that kinda disproves the idea that small markets have to do trades like this. Since - you know - Tampa just did the opposite.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma

Anybody have ESPN insider? I want to see Law's take.

Myers acquisition a coup for Rays: http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb...pa-bay-rays-mlb


The Kansas City Royals' main goal this offseason had to be to make the club into a potential 85-win team, at a minimum. In a desperately weak AL Central, an 85 win baseline puts you within variance of contention -- a little luck, a breakout or two, some ill fortune in Detroit or Chicago -- and that's about the best that GM Dayton Moore could reasonably have accomplished in one winter.

The best path to do that was to try to max out the lineup, adding top prospect Wil Myers in right field in place of Jeff Francoeur and all the outs he makes, letting new hitting coach Jack Maloof try to fix Eric Hosmer by getting his hands down, and adding starting pitching wherever possible. Instead, the Royals traded Myers for pitching help in a deal with the Tampa Bay Rays featuring James Shields that might make them slightly better in the short term but at a severe long-term cost -- and it's quite possible they don't even sniff 80 wins with the pitching they just acquired, unless there's another substantial deal coming.

For Tampa Bay, this is a heist, a potential franchise-making deal that should allow the Rays to continue their run of contention on a dime for several more years as they acquire a centerpiece bat in Myers, a potential mid-rotation starter in Jake Odorizzi, and two other prospects, none of whom has more than a few days of major-league service -- meaning the Rays get six years of club control of each of them.



keithlaw ‏@keithlaw

One final thought before I sign off: Talked to a bunch of scouts/FO folks tonight. Every last one of them said the Rays came out way ahead.

[duncan_idaho]

So what does the 25-man look like now? My guess:

OFs: Gordon, Cain, Francoeur, Dyson, Lough
IFs: Moustakas, Escobar, Getz, Hosmer, Butler, Abreu or Falu
Cs: Sal Perez, Manny Pina

SPs: James Shields, Guthrie, Santana, Davis, Chen
RP: Holland, Herrera, Crow, Collins, Coleman, Donnie Joseph, Mendoza

Lineup:

Gordon
Escobar
Hosmer
Butler
Perez
Moustakas
Francoeur
Cain
Getz

That's probably a better team than in 2012. How much better? Well, what do you get out of the starters? There certainly is a much higher ceiling than for quite a while. And does the offense get recoveries from Moustakas and Hosmer without a major drop-off from anyone else?

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

KC offered Wil Myers to Oakland for Brett Anderson and were turned down, too.

If they really did that, then there is no further proof DM is in fact the world's biggest idiot.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

One final thought before I sign off: Talked to a bunch of scouts/FO folks tonight. Every last one of them said the Rays came out way ahead.

Yeah, but none of them work for the Royals. The finest front office in MLB.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

So what does the 25-man look like now? My guess:

OFs: Gordon, Cain, Francoeur, Dyson, Lough
IFs: Moustakas, Escobar, Getz, Hosmer, Butler, Abreu or Falu
Cs: Sal Perez, Manny Pina

SPs: James Shields, Guthrie, Santana, Davis, Chen
RP: Holland, Herrera, Crow, Collins, Coleman, Donnie Joseph, Mendoza

Lineup:

Gordon
Escobar
Hosmer
Butler
Perez
Moustakas
Francoeur
Dyson
Getz

That's probably a better team than in 2012. How much better? Well, what do you get out of the starters? There certainly is a much higher ceiling than for quite a while. And does the offense get recoveries from Moustakas and Hosmer without a major drop-off from anyone else?

Is Cain really worse than Dyson or was there an injury I'm unaware of?

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

If they really did that, then there is no further proof DM is in fact the world's biggest idiot.

Second-biggest. Since Billy Beane turned DOWN that deal.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Second-biggest. Since Billy Beane turned DOWN that deal.

It would not quite have been up to the standard of a Billy Beane fleecing.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Is Cain really worse than Dyson or was there an injury I'm unaware of?

I just screwed up.

I'd actually like to see Cain in the 2-spot, long-term. I know he can't BUNT like Escobar, but I like 2-hitters who can drive the ball a little bit.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Second-biggest. Since Billy Beane turned DOWN that deal.

Touche.