2012 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread

[alnorth]

2012 Slogan: Our Time

A better, more accurate 2012 Slogan: It is Finally Next Year
(from Great Expectations)

An alternative slogan if you don't like that one: Someone has to win this crappy division
(from alnorth)

With the beginning of a new year, it is time for the 2012 version of the Royals Repository Thread. We've got Hosmer, we've got a 2011-dominating Gordon, we've got Moose, we've got hopefully a killer bullpen, we've got a stereotypical slow slugging DH, we've got easily one of the best defensive shortstops in the AL, we've got a promising catcher in Salvador Perez. Hell, we've got offense and promising prospects galore.

We do not have starting pitching.

Oh yeah, we've also got this:



Get ready for, (as of January 2012 anyway), one of the most confusing puzzles of a baseball season in recent Royals history. Will they suck? Maybe, I don't know. Will we be given a year of 0.500 baseball? Possibly, I don't know. Will they win the division and go to the playoffs for the first time in 27 years? For the first time in a long time, it could happen, I don't know. 92 losses, 92 wins, or anything in between would not surprise a lot of us.

Everything goes here except Gameday threads and really big news. If a giant story breaks, the Royals achieve some awesome milestone, or we sign/lose a highly significant player/coach/mascot/whatever, then it might also deserve its own thread. This being Chiefs Planet, please do not clutter the board with new threads about trivial Royals news or you will only annoy those who come here for just Chiefs football. If you aren't sure and its not a Gameday thread, it goes here.

What sort of stuff often goes here? SPchief explained it well, so I'll just copy that:

If you locate something of interest.. ANYTHING.. deals on apparel, best ways in/out of the stadium, giveaways, great stories from this season or from seasons gone by, rumors, trades, anything.... feel free to post it here.

[KevB]

Haha, if you're a GM this is how you attempt to sway things.


greg schaum ‏@Greg_Schaum
Well Placed Dombrowski, well placed #myers “@DKnobler: Tigers see Royals as real threat. They're very much hoping Royals don't get Shields.”

[KevB]

Rany cutting to the chase:

Rany Jazayerli ‏@jazayerli
If they truly hoped so, how curious that they would tell you that. RT @DKnobler Tigers very much hoping Royals don't get Shields.

[mr. tegu]

I don't know how to read twitter. What does #Myers and RT @ DKnobler actually mean?

[KevB]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

I don't know how to read twitter. What does #Myers and RT @ DKnobler actually mean?

#myers is just a tagging system that denotes a topic or allows for easy searching. Dknobler appears to be a Tigers writer who Rany is responding to on Twitter.

[Nightfyre]

Put this in terms Glass can understand. Keep myers. Spend in free agency. Trade frenchy and eat part of his contract. Cut hoch out of spring training. Sign mccarthy. Promote myers. Win games. Profit.

[gblowfish]

From today's KC Star. Don't get too excited, David Glass is still a cheap bastard:

Royals’ payroll pinch tighter than previously believed

By BOB DUTTON
The Kansas City Star

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Royals owner David Glass created a stir recently in revealing $70 million to be the budgeted break-even point for the club’s 2013 payroll.

Well, the financial pinch is a lot tighter than initially believed.

That $70 million includes far more than salaries allocated to the 25-man roster for opening day. Club officials say it encompasses the entire 40-man roster and also includes the signing bonus limits for the draft and international spending.

That reduces the break-even point for the 25-man roster – the figure generally used for comparison purposes in public discussions – to roughly $57 million. The draft and international limits under the new labor agreement comprise about $10 million.

It also means, as things currently stand, the Royals are already over budget since the projected payroll for their 25-man roster is roughly $65 million.

Glass expressed willingness to subsidize the payroll at a moderate level, which he said he has often done in the past, but the numbers explain why general manager Dayton Moore believes any further payroll additions will likely require corresponding cuts.

“I’ve always been willing to spend whatever cash we’ve generated on payroll,” Glass said, “and I’ve even been willing to subsidize it under conditions where we have an opportunity to be competitive in our division. I’ve never changed from that.”

While top club officials, present and past, affirm Glass’ contention that he doesn’t pocket an operating profit, those assertions are a stark contrast to figures published by Forbes magazine, which contend Glass made about $100 million from 2000-11.

Major League Baseball has long contended the Forbes figures, which are calculated without access to club financial statements, are wildly inaccurate.

“Mr. Glass has gone above and beyond,” Moore said, “in supporting our team in everything we’ve wanted to do internationally, through the draft and in building and improving our major-league payroll. He’s been extremely supportive.

“We’ve signed virtually every single player who we’ve identified as being worthy of a long-term contract. Does he ask tough questions? Yeah, but there’s not anybody I’ve ever met who is more passionate or a better historian of the game. He owns a major-league team for all of the right reasons.”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/12/06...#storylink=cpy

[KevB]

Well, shit, looks like we're willing to trade Myers in a deal for Shields if Dutton is to be believed.

Myers for Shields

He says we're not only willing to do Myers for Shields, but we're open to add to Myers in a deal. You have to be fing kidding me. I can't imagine the Rays are going to get a better deal, so I'm guessing this is going to happen.

[Nightfyre]

I am going to be so pissed if that trade goes down. So pissed.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by gblowfish

From today's KC Star. Don't get too excited, David Glass is still a cheap bastard:

Royals’ payroll pinch tighter than previously believed

By BOB DUTTON
The Kansas City Star

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Royals owner David Glass created a stir recently in revealing $70 million to be the budgeted break-even point for the club’s 2013 payroll.

Well, the financial pinch is a lot tighter than initially believed.

That $70 million includes far more than salaries allocated to the 25-man roster for opening day. Club officials say it encompasses the entire 40-man roster and also includes the signing bonus limits for the draft and international spending.

That reduces the break-even point for the 25-man roster – the figure generally used for comparison purposes in public discussions – to roughly $57 million. The draft and international limits under the new labor agreement comprise about $10 million.

It also means, as things currently stand, the Royals are already over budget since the projected payroll for their 25-man roster is roughly $65 million.

Glass expressed willingness to subsidize the payroll at a moderate level, which he said he has often done in the past, but the numbers explain why general manager Dayton Moore believes any further payroll additions will likely require corresponding cuts.

“I’ve always been willing to spend whatever cash we’ve generated on payroll,” Glass said, “and I’ve even been willing to subsidize it under conditions where we have an opportunity to be competitive in our division. I’ve never changed from that.”

While top club officials, present and past, affirm Glass’ contention that he doesn’t pocket an operating profit, those assertions are a stark contrast to figures published by Forbes magazine, which contend Glass made about $100 million from 2000-11.

Major League Baseball has long contended the Forbes figures, which are calculated without access to club financial statements, are wildly inaccurate.

“Mr. Glass has gone above and beyond,” Moore said, “in supporting our team in everything we’ve wanted to do internationally, through the draft and in building and improving our major-league payroll. He’s been extremely supportive.

“We’ve signed virtually every single player who we’ve identified as being worthy of a long-term contract. Does he ask tough questions? Yeah, but there’s not anybody I’ve ever met who is more passionate or a better historian of the game. He owns a major-league team for all of the right reasons.”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/12/06...#storylink=cpy

Bullshit!

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by KevB

Well, shit, looks like we're willing to trade Myers in a deal for Shields if Dutton is to be believed.

Myers for Shields

He says we're not only willing to do Myers for Shields, but we're open to add to Myers in a deal. You have to be fing kidding me. I can't imagine the Rays are going to get a better deal, so I'm guessing this is going to happen.

Bullshit!

[Discuss Thrower]

This is all Francouer's fault, isn't it?

[KevB]

So given these financial constraints, how in the hell do we justify tendering Hochever at roughly $4.4M?

[KevB]

BigCatDaddy has really simplified all of our thoughts beautifully. Couldn't agree more.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by gblowfish

From today's KC Star. Don't get too excited, David Glass is still a cheap bastard:

Royals’ payroll pinch tighter than previously believed

By BOB DUTTON
The Kansas City Star

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Royals owner David Glass created a stir recently in revealing $70 million to be the budgeted break-even point for the club’s 2013 payroll.

Well, the financial pinch is a lot tighter than initially believed.

That $70 million includes far more than salaries allocated to the 25-man roster for opening day. Club officials say it encompasses the entire 40-man roster and also includes the signing bonus limits for the draft and international spending.

That reduces the break-even point for the 25-man roster – the figure generally used for comparison purposes in public discussions – to roughly $57 million. The draft and international limits under the new labor agreement comprise about $10 million.

It also means, as things currently stand, the Royals are already over budget since the projected payroll for their 25-man roster is roughly $65 million.

Glass expressed willingness to subsidize the payroll at a moderate level, which he said he has often done in the past, but the numbers explain why general manager Dayton Moore believes any further payroll additions will likely require corresponding cuts.

“I’ve always been willing to spend whatever cash we’ve generated on payroll,” Glass said, “and I’ve even been willing to subsidize it under conditions where we have an opportunity to be competitive in our division. I’ve never changed from that.”

While top club officials, present and past, affirm Glass’ contention that he doesn’t pocket an operating profit, those assertions are a stark contrast to figures published by Forbes magazine, which contend Glass made about $100 million from 2000-11.

Major League Baseball has long contended the Forbes figures, which are calculated without access to club financial statements, are wildly inaccurate.

“Mr. Glass has gone above and beyond,” Moore said, “in supporting our team in everything we’ve wanted to do internationally, through the draft and in building and improving our major-league payroll. He’s been extremely supportive.

“We’ve signed virtually every single player who we’ve identified as being worthy of a long-term contract. Does he ask tough questions? Yeah, but there’s not anybody I’ve ever met who is more passionate or a better historian of the game. He owns a major-league team for all of the right reasons.”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/12/06...#storylink=cpy

Bullshit. Just complete and utter bullshit. The break even point for major league payroll is $57 million?

Go kill yourself, Glass. If you don't want to own a major league team, sell it someone who does, you unspeakable asshole.

[Nightfyre]

If dayton moores manlove of frenchy is sufficient that he thinks myers is expendable, glass should fire him before he makes the trade.