Royals 2012 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 549

**alnorth** · 10:54 PM

2012 Slogan: Our Time

A better, more accurate 2012 Slogan: It is Finally Next Year
(from Great Expectations)

An alternative slogan if you don't like that one: Someone has to win this crappy division
(from alnorth)

With the beginning of a new year, it is time for the 2012 version of the Royals Repository Thread. We've got Hosmer, we've got a 2011-dominating Gordon, we've got Moose, we've got hopefully a killer bullpen, we've got a stereotypical slow slugging DH, we've got easily one of the best defensive shortstops in the AL, we've got a promising catcher in Salvador Perez. Hell, we've got offense and promising prospects galore.

We do not have starting pitching.

Oh yeah, we've also got this:

Get ready for, (as of January 2012 anyway), one of the most confusing puzzles of a baseball season in recent Royals history. Will they suck? Maybe, I don't know. Will we be given a year of 0.500 baseball? Possibly, I don't know. Will they win the division and go to the playoffs for the first time in 27 years? For the first time in a long time, it could happen, I don't know. 92 losses, 92 wins, or anything in between would not surprise a lot of us.

Everything goes here except Gameday threads and really big news. If a giant story breaks, the Royals achieve some awesome milestone, or we sign/lose a highly significant player/coach/mascot/whatever, then it might also deserve its own thread. This being Chiefs Planet, please do not clutter the board with new threads about trivial Royals news or you will only annoy those who come here for just Chiefs football. If you aren't sure and its not a Gameday thread, it goes here.

What sort of stuff often goes here? SPchief explained it well, so I'll just copy that:

Quote:

If you locate something of interest.. ANYTHING.. deals on apparel, best ways in/out of the stadium, giveaways, great stories from this season or from seasons gone by, rumors, trades, anything.... feel free to post it here.

**SAUTO** · 10-30-2012, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

Would a high caliber player ever even think that a team like the Royals would be worth blocking?

Yeah. They block all shit teams.
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SPchief · 10-31-2012, 11:32 AM

Royals declined Soria's $8MM option

siberian khatru · 10-31-2012, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPchief

Royals declined Soria's $8MM option

That was the obvious move, but with this franchise you never know.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 10-31-2012, 12:45 PM

On October 30, 2012 at 9:44:52 PM EDT, KCRoyalFan wrote:

I got to talk briefly today with GMDM (General Manager Dayton Moore) for non-Royals fans. Actually, if you're not a Royals fan you can just tune out.

My thoughts:

First off, I was impressed that he took the time to talk to and field questions from those of us who showed up at the season ticket holders Select-A-Seat event. It wasn't advertised to us that he would be there, but he took the time to do it. I appreciated that.

Concerning statements: I'm paraphrasing, so don't interpret my quotes as direct quotes, but they're as close as I can remember:

"We're never going to have an $85 million dollar payroll."

At face value that statement alone is jaw dropping. We all know the numbers being thrown around out there - that by 2014 the TV deal will give every team an extra $25-$30 million per year. Given that in recent years the Royals payroll has been as high as $70 million, a payroll of $100 million in the next few years does not seem out of the question. I'm not going to hold him to that and ridicule him for it, though. A fellow fan immediately asked the follow-on about the TV deal. He deflected it a little, saying that the numbers thrown around on the internet aren't necessarily accurate, but that every team having extra money won't make the Royals able to spend more than the big market teams. A valid point, but if he truly meant that they will never spend $85 million, the only logical conclusion would be that they would be pocketing more profit. I sure hope that's not what he meant.

"We are always going to be a young team."

That says to me that he expects the pattern of letting our best players go when they reach free agency continue. I don't know how else to take that.

"Yes..."

This was a response to a direct question that I asked him - "Do you believe you can contend for the playoffs with Luke Hochevar in the rotation?" The "..." was helpful, but not entirely comforting. I knew he couldn't respond by saying, "Absolutely not - it's my mission to get rid of him." He acknowledged my frustration, and he could probably see some anger in my eyes as soon as he said yes. He said that he will be looking to improve upon Luke's spot in the rotation (but didn't clarify whether that would definitely be by replacement or by Luke somehow finally putting it all together magically) and said that he will always support his players as long as they are in the organization (which at least gives me some measure of hope that he could be let go in the offseason).

He reiterated his standard lines about taking time to build. Afterwards in a smaller group he said that he really thought it would be 2014 before they were ready to contend from beginning to end of the season. I agree, but I really feel that creatively they could make a strong push to move that timetable up by a year, and there doesn't seem to be a willingness to expend the money to do that. He made a statement something along the lines of "If you had access to all the information I have, you would make a lot of the same decisions as me..." I can't refute that, but it seems disingenuous, particularly when there is a mountain of knowledge out there in the public arena that other teams seem to take more seriously than the Royals do.

He said that Wil Myers will be competing for a starting position in 2013, but of course didn't promise to replace Frenchy.

He also said they were offered a trade by an unnamed team the other day: 2 unnamed pitchers (one of whom was "half a year away" from the majors and the other "a year and a half away") in exchange for Sal Perez. He said this to illustrate that he considered his virtually untradeable players to be Sal and Escobar. I can certainly agree with that.

Altogether, I came away glad to have the chance to hear him talk directly and answer questions. He personally came up to me afterwards and thanked me for asking the Hochevar question. I believe he wants to win. But I also believe that his hands are tied when it comes to money. Nothing he said alleviated that concern. I'm also not convinced that he's paying enough attention to advanced statistics. I'm thinking of more questions I wish I could have asked right now. I'm also sure I'm missing something else interesting he said. Oh well. Ultimately, all we can do is hope. Which I'm afraid may be Dayton's ultimate strategy as well.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 10-31-2012, 01:00 PM

Well maybe it's even time for us die hards to give up.

KCUnited · 10-31-2012, 01:18 PM

Taking my season ticket money this year and going to spring training instead. Taking my pops and my golf clubs to enjoy the best part of the Royals season.

tk13 · 10-31-2012, 01:24 PM

They spent 81 million on payroll just a couple years ago before bringing all the young guys up. The payroll will go up with inflation if nothing else. He's right that this team will never keep all the players it develops though. Just the nature of it. Even the Cardinals couldn't keep Pujols. People keep throwing the 85M around... if you re-sign two or three of these youg guys at the end of their 6 years and you'll be there. Butler, Hosmer, Moose, and Gordon all can be 10+ million a year players... Hosmer and Myers have potential to be even more than that, and then you haven't even touched your pitching staff.
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duncan_idaho · 10-31-2012, 01:56 PM

David Glass can eat a dick. Seriously.

All I can say is... if whatever they do for this season doesn't work, they're going to enter "save our Chiefs" territory. I've said that before on here, but good god...

I'm an optimistic guy. Always have been. But at this point, they're acting like they won't even try. And I can't pin that on Dayton Moore.

They had better find a way to bridge the gap this year. Or the fan revolt will kill the franchise in KC. Which is goddamned shame.

Discuss Thrower · 10-31-2012, 02:01 PM

Another year of Hoch... great..

Dr. Johnny Fever · 10-31-2012, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

David Glass can eat a dick. Seriously.

All I can say is... if whatever they do for this season doesn't work, they're going to enter "save our Chiefs" territory. I've said that before on here, but good god...

I'm an optimistic guy. Always have been. But at this point, they're acting like they won't even try. And I can't pin that on Dayton Moore.

They had better find a way to bridge the gap this year. Or the fan revolt will kill the franchise in KC. Which is goddamned shame.

Meche gave back a buttload... we were lead to believe we went cheap last year because of having so many young players who aren't up for bigger contracts yet and could save the money for when they are... new tv deal in place.............. now "we'll never be an $85 mill team," and "we know who we are."

**** the hell off Glass. I don't know why GMDM doesn't just re-sign if this is what he's up against.

Deberg_1990 · 10-31-2012, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

David Glass can eat a dick. Seriously.

All I can say is... if whatever they do for this season doesn't work, they're going to enter "save our Chiefs" territory. I've said that before on here, but good god...

I'm an optimistic guy. Always have been. But at this point, they're acting like they won't even try. And I can't pin that on Dayton Moore.

They had better find a way to bridge the gap this year. Or the fan revolt will kill the franchise in KC. Which is goddamned shame.

Will there really be a revolt? I honestly dont think there are that many "Passionate" Royals fans left. Theres only so many times you can kick your fanbase in the nuts before they just lose all energy to care.

Alot of them are either too old to care or too young to remember the good times and are now passionate Sporting KC fans.

ChiefsCountry · 10-31-2012, 02:46 PM

They could also be doing some PR work to keep exceptations down after last year's disaster of a marketing campaign.

Al Bundy · 10-31-2012, 02:56 PM

The Glasshole family can suffer every ill will thing I have wished against R8ers.

jbwm89 · 10-31-2012, 03:00 PM

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/1...n-santana.html

Royals acquire Ervin Santana

**ChiTown** · 10-31-2012, 03:02 PM

I would like to say I am shocked but all of this, but seriously, we're talking about the Royals here. So, meh. I've come to expect shit sammich's dressed as a Subway Club.......

10-31-2012, 11:32 AM	#8222
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10-31-2012, 12:45 PM	#8224
ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1336009	On October 30, 2012 at 9:44:52 PM EDT, KCRoyalFan wrote: I got to talk briefly today with GMDM (General Manager Dayton Moore) for non-Royals fans. Actually, if you're not a Royals fan you can just tune out. My thoughts: First off, I was impressed that he took the time to talk to and field questions from those of us who showed up at the season ticket holders Select-A-Seat event. It wasn't advertised to us that he would be there, but he took the time to do it. I appreciated that. Concerning statements: I'm paraphrasing, so don't interpret my quotes as direct quotes, but they're as close as I can remember: "We're never going to have an $85 million dollar payroll." At face value that statement alone is jaw dropping. We all know the numbers being thrown around out there - that by 2014 the TV deal will give every team an extra $25-$30 million per year. Given that in recent years the Royals payroll has been as high as $70 million, a payroll of $100 million in the next few years does not seem out of the question. I'm not going to hold him to that and ridicule him for it, though. A fellow fan immediately asked the follow-on about the TV deal. He deflected it a little, saying that the numbers thrown around on the internet aren't necessarily accurate, but that every team having extra money won't make the Royals able to spend more than the big market teams. A valid point, but if he truly meant that they will never spend $85 million, the only logical conclusion would be that they would be pocketing more profit. I sure hope that's not what he meant. "We are always going to be a young team." That says to me that he expects the pattern of letting our best players go when they reach free agency continue. I don't know how else to take that. "Yes..." This was a response to a direct question that I asked him - "Do you believe you can contend for the playoffs with Luke Hochevar in the rotation?" The "..." was helpful, but not entirely comforting. I knew he couldn't respond by saying, "Absolutely not - it's my mission to get rid of him." He acknowledged my frustration, and he could probably see some anger in my eyes as soon as he said yes. He said that he will be looking to improve upon Luke's spot in the rotation (but didn't clarify whether that would definitely be by replacement or by Luke somehow finally putting it all together magically) and said that he will always support his players as long as they are in the organization (which at least gives me some measure of hope that he could be let go in the offseason). He reiterated his standard lines about taking time to build. Afterwards in a smaller group he said that he really thought it would be 2014 before they were ready to contend from beginning to end of the season. I agree, but I really feel that creatively they could make a strong push to move that timetable up by a year, and there doesn't seem to be a willingness to expend the money to do that. He made a statement something along the lines of "If you had access to all the information I have, you would make a lot of the same decisions as me..." I can't refute that, but it seems disingenuous, particularly when there is a mountain of knowledge out there in the public arena that other teams seem to take more seriously than the Royals do. He said that Wil Myers will be competing for a starting position in 2013, but of course didn't promise to replace Frenchy. He also said they were offered a trade by an unnamed team the other day: 2 unnamed pitchers (one of whom was "half a year away" from the majors and the other "a year and a half away") in exchange for Sal Perez. He said this to illustrate that he considered his virtually untradeable players to be Sal and Escobar. I can certainly agree with that. Altogether, I came away glad to have the chance to hear him talk directly and answer questions. He personally came up to me afterwards and thanked me for asking the Hochevar question. I believe he wants to win. But I also believe that his hands are tied when it comes to money. Nothing he said alleviated that concern. I'm also not convinced that he's paying enough attention to advanced statistics. I'm thinking of more questions I wish I could have asked right now. I'm also sure I'm missing something else interesting he said. Oh well. Ultimately, all we can do is hope. Which I'm afraid may be Dayton's ultimate strategy as well.
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10-31-2012, 01:00 PM	#8225
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10-31-2012, 01:18 PM	#8226
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10-31-2012, 01:24 PM	#8227
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1657500	They spent 81 million on payroll just a couple years ago before bringing all the young guys up. The payroll will go up with inflation if nothing else. He's right that this team will never keep all the players it develops though. Just the nature of it. Even the Cardinals couldn't keep Pujols. People keep throwing the 85M around... if you re-sign two or three of these youg guys at the end of their 6 years and you'll be there. Butler, Hosmer, Moose, and Gordon all can be 10+ million a year players... Hosmer and Myers have potential to be even more than that, and then you haven't even touched your pitching staff. Posted via Mobile Device
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10-31-2012, 01:56 PM	#8228
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10-31-2012, 02:01 PM	#8229
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10-31-2012, 02:46 PM	#8232
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10-31-2012, 02:56 PM	#8233
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10-31-2012, 03:00 PM	#8234
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10-31-2012, 03:02 PM	#8235
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