Chiefs What kind of HC do you want next? - Page 9

RunKC · 10-24-2012, 10:48 PM

Pioli is fired, Romeo is shown the door (or in his case will probably retire).

What kind of coach do you want?

A veteran coach who has had success as a head coach before, like Brian Billick, Mike Holmgren or a Bill Cowher (I doubt he leaves TV so soon)?

or...

A young coordinator who has potential as a head coach, like Mike McCoy, Perry Fewell or Mike Zimmer?

DJ's left nut · 10-25-2012, 02:26 PM

For all the grief Cowher gets for being a playoff 'choker' does anyone realize that he didn't go 1 and done again in his career after his first 2 years in the league? Hell, the guy has a 12-9 playoff record (.571).

Cowher isn't Marty (5-13). He's a consistent winner in this league that also wins consistently in the playoffs as well.

I don't see how anyone can be so dead set against a 55 yr old HC with the track record this guy has and the energy he's shown throughout his coaching career. He can absolutely excel in this job.

Woodchuck · 10-25-2012, 02:32 PM

I don't think Cowher would come here any way. I think we would be third on his list.

1. Cleveland - He played there and is close to the owner.

2. Carolina - His daughters live there and his wife is dead.

3. Kansas City - he said we have a ton of talent and we would make the playoffs when we were 1-4.

I guess it just depends what he wants the most? However, i bet that will be with CBS.

**Easy 6** · 10-25-2012, 02:33 PM

Really dont care if he's offensive or defensive minded, as long as he has the right coordinator on the other side.

I am starting to lend credence to this stat that says Super Bowl winners never go on to do it again with a second team, theres a lot of precedent there.

If he's not atleast a semi-longtime NFL coordinator though, i dont want him, while i totally get the desire and need for "fresh & innovative"... i have no interest in a true college rookie like a Schiano etc. I'm fresh out of patience for learning curves.

Attention to detail, discipline, not too intimidated to go out & get the very best to work beneath him and let them do their job, to name just a few things.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-25-2012, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

I've kind of been thinking about Mike Nolan. He did well in Denver and is doing it now in Atlanta with not alot of talent. I think he would have learned something in San Francisco. He reminds me of Hank Stram when he wears the suit.

And he proved in San Francisco, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he has absolutely NO business as an NFL head coach.

JFC. Try to keep up, Dumbass.

Woodchuck · 10-25-2012, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And he proved in San Francisco, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he has absolutely NO business as an NFL head coach.

JFC. Try to keep up, Dumbass.

Yeah, that's what people say when alot of guys get their second chance.

**BossChief** · 10-25-2012, 02:49 PM

DJ is KILLING IT in this thread.

DJ's left nut · 10-25-2012, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free

Really dont care if he's offensive or defensive minded, as long as he has the right coordinator on the other side.

I am starting to lend credence to this stat that says Super Bowl winners never go on to do it again with a second team, theres a lot of precedent there.

If he's not atleast a semi-longtime NFL coordinator though, i dont want him, while i totally get the desire and need for "fresh & innovative"... i have no interest in a true college rookie like a Schiano etc. I'm fresh out of patience for learning curves.

Attention to detail, discipline, not too intimidated to go out & get the very best to work beneath him and let them do their job, to name just a few things.

So you wouldn't hire Sean Payton or Mike McCarthy?

Super Bowls are freakin' hard to win. That's why guys don't just leave and win them elsewhere. There have been 13 coaches to win the SB multiple times in the entire modern era. Those 13 head coaches all won their SBs within an extremely tight period of time. Why? Because it takes a special blend of players, oftentimes one or two players in particular to win a SB. He doesn't have that guy elsewhere.

Look at this list - the Coach, followed by the number of SBs won and years from first to last:

Noll -- 4 in 6 yrs
Belichick -- 3 in 4
Gibbs -- 3 in 10 (nearest to an outlier)
Walsh -- 3 in 8
Coughlin -- 2 in 5
Flores -- 2 in 4
Jimmy Johnson -- 2 in 2
Landry -- 2 in 7 (despite coaching forever)
Lombardi -- 2 in 2 (though there was the pre-merger years)
Parcells -- 2 in 5
Seifert -- 2 in 6
Shanny -- 2 in 2
Shula -- 2 in 2

That's right - even Don Shula only had a 2 year burst in the middle of his career where he actually won a SB.

Guys don't win multiple SBs, not because they don't remember how, but because it's really goddamn hard to do. And the guys that have managed it managed it because they had quick bursts of great talent. They don't leave those bursts of great talent so sometimes they manage to win another championship with it.

There's absolutely no causal connection between winning a SB with one team and not being able to win it with another. At it's very best, it's a stupid superstition.

If you hire Bill Cowher and give him commensurate talent, he's going to be capable of winning a SB. This team, with these parts and an above average QB - has commensurate talent. He can win here and win huge.

Of all the exceedingly stupid arguments I've heard w/r/t our next head coach, this is unquestionably the dumbest.

-King- · 10-25-2012, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, that's ALL Wade Phillips needs is a FOURTH NFL head coaching gig.

Yeah, Wade went 9 years without winning shit.

Cowher went 14.

If the Steelers weren't the most loyal team in the NFL, he wouldn't have lasted as long as he did.

Wade got fired after going 16-16 with the Falcons, 29-19 with the Bills, and 34-22 with the Cowboys. You'd have to be stupid to say he's a bad coach.

Funny how Tomlin did what Cowher took 15 years to do in 4 seasons.

**Easy 6** · 10-25-2012, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

So you wouldn't hire Sean Payton or Mike McCarthy?

Thats a very fair question & my initial reaction is to do a 180 and say HELL YES i would, they both seem like extremely sharp minds & have won at the highest level, its always hard not to like SUCCESS.

But, its also fair to point out that they have had 2 of the top 5 QB's in the league, the one position that can mask 1000 flawed plans... almost every year we see HC's who are depantsed when they suddenly find themselves without a stud at that position.

But in the end, i guess i'd have to agree with you, either one would almost certainly be better than anything we've had... on those two counts atleast, you win, feel better?

DJ's left nut · 10-25-2012, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Yeah, Wade went 9 years without winning shit.

Cowher went 14.

If the Steelers weren't the most loyal team in the NFL, he wouldn't have lasted as long as he did.

Wade got fired after going 16-16 with the Falcons, 29-19 with the Bills, and 34-22 with the Cowboys. You'd have to be stupid to say he's a bad coach.

Funny how Tomlin did what Cowher took 15 years to do in 4 seasons.

Wade has gone 20 years without ever winning shit. Bill Cowher won 10 games a season and multiple conference championships.

And Tomlin did what Cowher did with Cowher's guys.

You know what - I'm not even going to bother.

Just go ahead and keep repeating this bit of idiocy to anyone that listen - it does more damage than any rebuttal I can put together:

"Wade Phillips is a better NFL head coach than Bill Cowher"

I'm sure you'll get plenty of people that are blown away by your sagacity.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 10-25-2012, 03:10 PM

Damn. DJ just burning King's ****ing house down today.

**Canofbier** · 10-25-2012, 03:14 PM

Not going to read this entire thread, but I'm going to go ahead and say "one that's good" and "one that wins games". Original thought, I'm sure.

philfree · 10-25-2012, 03:15 PM

I don't want a HC that comes in and says "we are going to be a competetive football team." I want a HC that comes in and says "We're going to win the Super Bowl!"

DJ's left nut · 10-25-2012, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

I don't want a HC that comes in and says "we are going to be a competetive football team." I want a HC that comes in and says "We're going to win the Super Bowl!"

Matt Hasselbeck once said "We want the ball, and we're going to score" right before he threw a pick 6.

Rex Ryan says he's going to win a SB every damn year.

I want a HC that knows he's so good that he doesn't feel the need to advertise it.

I don't care what he says....unless it's "I don't know why we're playing so poorly". I !@#$ing well know that I don't want him saying that.

Jesus our coach sucks.

philfree · 10-25-2012, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Matt Hasselbeck once said "We want the ball, and we're going to score" right before he threw a pick 6.

Rex Ryan says he's going to win a SB every damn year.

I want a HC that knows he's so good that he doesn't feel the need to advertise it.

I don't care what he says....unless it's "I don't know why we're playing so poorly". I !@#$ing well know that I don't want him saying that.

Jesus our coach sucks.

I don't want a loud mouth HC like Ryan and I'm not sure how the guy needs to express it so perhaps it's more of an attitude. He needs to make our players think it's probable more then just possible.

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