Chiefs What kind of HC do you want next? - Page 3

RunKC · 10-24-2012, 10:48 PM

Pioli is fired, Romeo is shown the door (or in his case will probably retire).

What kind of coach do you want?

A veteran coach who has had success as a head coach before, like Brian Billick, Mike Holmgren or a Bill Cowher (I doubt he leaves TV so soon)?

or...

A young coordinator who has potential as a head coach, like Mike McCoy, Perry Fewell or Mike Zimmer?

**BossChief** · 10-24-2012, 11:56 PM

We need to go ALL IN on whoever we draft to be the franchise QB, not go half assed.

I want an innovative offensive mind running the show and for us to double down with another great offensive mind at OC and a QB coach that knows the intricacies of the position.

Having a HC that is a defensive guy fails a lot more often than it works out.

We need to jump start this team into the new era with an innovator and Im not interested in another defensive head coach.

**BossChief** · 10-24-2012, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Young coordinator, offensive. No more retreads. No more defensive coaches. I want a young guy that could feasibly coach here for 15 years and then leave for a cushy studio job. I want somebody aggressive and innovative.

bingo...mind melding

chiefzilla1501 · 10-25-2012, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

We need to go ALL IN on whoever we draft to be the franchise QB, not go half assed.

I want an innovative offensive mind running the show and for us to double down with another great offensive mind at OC and a QB coach that knows the intricacies of the position.

Having a HC that is a defensive guy fails a lot more often than it works out.

We need to jump start this team into the new era with an innovator and Im not interested in another defensive head coach.

You are making shit up. 6 of the 11 top teams (above .500) are defensive head coaches. Matt Ryan and Christian Ponder are developing wonderfully under a defensive coach. Andrew Luck looks to be developing great under Pagano. Andy Dalton and Joe Flacco have developed nicely under Marvin Lewis and John Harbaugh. Last year, 5 of the 7 new hires were defensive coaches. There is nothing wrong with a defensive head coach if you hire a good offensive coordinator to complement him.

If you want an innovative offense, then hire a good offensive coordinator. I don't give a shit about how innovative the head coach is. X's and O's guys don't' always make good head coaches. Hire a coach who knows how to discipline his team, then put a talented, innovative offensive coordinator underneath him.

chiefzilla1501 · 10-25-2012, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Young coordinator, offensive. No more retreads. No more defensive coaches. I want a young guy that could feasibly coach here for 15 years and then leave for a cushy studio job. I want somebody aggressive and innovative.

I don't know where we got the impression that defensive coaches can't encourage innovation. I think Jeff Fisher and Herm Edwards scare people away. Nobody wants an old school defense/run heavy coach. Nobody wants a pure X's and O's guy like Romeo or Ron Rivera.

Chuck Pagano and Mike Smith run very progressive offenses behind a franchise QB. Leslie Frazier has run a pretty aggressive offense behind Christian Ponder. Mike Tomlin, prior to this year, ran a really aggressive pass offense in Pittsburgh. And you're forgetting that that innovative offense Mike McCoy has run throughout his time in Denver? He coaches for a defensive coach in John Fox.

Why? Because these guys are good head coaches. Regardless of what side of the ball they are more experienced with.

RunKC · 10-25-2012, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

We need to go ALL IN on whoever we draft to be the franchise QB, not go half assed.

I want an innovative offensive mind running the show and for us to double down with another great offensive mind at OC and a QB coach that knows the intricacies of the position.

Having a HC that is a defensive guy fails a lot more often than it works out.

We need to jump start this team into the new era with an innovator and Im not interested in another defensive head coach.

This. Mike McCoy would be my choice. Put him at HC and then get Norv Turner to be the OC. Those 2 know QB's. Plus Norv isn't getting a HC job ever again, so he'd be here for a long time.

**Tribal Warfare** · 10-25-2012, 12:43 AM

A competent HC that can get the absolute best out of his players.

chiefzilla1501 · 10-25-2012, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

This. Mike McCoy would be my choice. Put him at HC and then get Norv Turner to be the OC. Those 2 know QB's. Plus Norv isn't getting a HC job ever again, so he'd be here for a long time.

My OC candidate would be John Morton out of San Francisco. I like his pedigree. Been a passing game coordinator for Sean Payton, Pete Carroll, and a WRs coach under Jim Harbaugh.

xztop12 · 10-25-2012, 12:48 AM

chip kelly is an interesting option

keg in kc · 10-25-2012, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't know where we got the impression that defensive coaches can't encourage innovation.

I don't know where you get the impression that I said that.

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And you're forgetting that that innovative offense Mike McCoy has run throughout his time in Denver?

I'm forgetting? I didn't mention him.

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Why? Because these guys are good head coaches. Regardless of what side of the ball they are more experienced with.

The reason *I* want an offensive coach is because 1) defensive coaches have a tendency towards conservative play, players and philosophy, 2) the NFL is becoming an increasingly offensive league and I believe that aforementioned conservative mindset puts a team at a disadvantage, and 3) we've had primarily defensive coaches here for the last 20 years. They tried something else with Vermeil, they sort of tried something else with Haley, but the lion's share of time has been spent on Marty, Gun, Herm and now Crennel. I'd like to see the franchise truly try to go another direction, actually step into the 21st century NFL, and do it starting from the ground up, with a drafted quarterback that becomes the face of the team for the next decade. No more 'play not to lose' philosophy. No more hiring other teams' backups as starters behind center. No more parroting other teams way of doing things a couple of years after the rest of the league figures it out. No more old coaches trying to recover past glory. It's time to make a name for ourselves. It's time to actually do our own thing.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-25-2012, 01:00 AM

I don't think many of you guys inderstand the role of a good head coach.

Also, all this "hard ass" nonsense has been rendered moot by the new CBA. There is very little hitting and physical work allowed in training camp and weekly practices.

The next head coach needs to be organized, detailed and firm with his offensive and defensive philosophies and command respect of his players.

The Chiefs should avoid, at all costs, retreads like Reid, Holmgren and especially Cowher.

Chris Meck · 10-25-2012, 01:13 AM

I think you want a younger hotshot offensive coordinator, preferrably one that has demonstrated an ability to develop a young QB. For this reason, I am on the Jay Gruden bandwagon. He's done a great job with Dalton in Cinci.

Some people don't like him because he's Chucky's brother, but his resume is pretty great. He played the position (albeit college and lesser leagues), coached it, has been a championship head coach (albeit a lesser league) and now a successful NFL offensive coordinator working with a rookie starter at QB. Dalton is progressing nicely. He's also in his mid 40's and could conceivably coach 20+ years if it works out.

Kyle Shanahan is so young it worries me. Mike McCoy-I don't really get all the love. It's Peyton's offense now, so I don't credit him for what's happening now...and there's a reason Orton was benched for Tebow in the first place. I don't know. I'm not seeing it.

Seems to me that Jay Gruden is the perfect guy to draft and develop a QB. Our receiver corps fits a WC style perfectly. If Geno is not our guy (or is not available when we pick), but Barkley is, then this is even more of a slam dunk.

bowener · 10-25-2012, 01:31 AM

Clark is going to need to sell season tickets, so I think he is going to go after a big name coach that is a proven winner or a hometown favorite like Marty or his son.
Hell, he may go after Cowher since he will get a GM/coach combo; it may save him a few million a year... after all he is going to be paying Pioli for a year or two after canning his fat ass.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-25-2012, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by bowener

Clark is going to need to sell season tickets, so I think he is going to go after a big name coach that is a proven winner or a hometown favorite like Marty or his son.
Hell, he may go after Cowher since he will get a GM/coach combo; it may save him a few million a year... after all he is going to be paying Pioli for a year or two after canning his fat ass.

Cowher has never been a GM.

RunKC · 10-25-2012, 02:19 AM

Clark doesn't need to worry about getting a shiny new coach to sell tickets.

I guarantee you that if we draft a 1st round QB in April, fans will flock to buy season tickets and jerseys.

shaggyshane · 10-25-2012, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

We need to go ALL IN on whoever we draft to be the franchise QB, not go half assed.

I want an innovative offensive mind running the show and for us to double down with another great offensive mind at OC and a QB coach that knows the intricacies of the position.

Having a HC that is a defensive guy fails a lot more often than it works out.

We need to jump start this team into the new era with an innovator and Im not interested in another defensive head coach.

I agree. Especially since KC more than likely will be drafting a franchise QB. I want a coach that is willing to grow with the QB. I have always wanted Al Saunders but for some reason he was overlooked as a head coach numerous times by not only KC, but several teams.

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DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	I don't think many of you guys inderstand the role of a good head coach. Also, all this "hard ass" nonsense has been rendered moot by the new CBA. There is very little hitting and physical work allowed in training camp and weekly practices. The next head coach needs to be organized, detailed and firm with his offensive and defensive philosophies and command respect of his players. The Chiefs should avoid, at all costs, retreads like Reid, Holmgren and especially Cowher.
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Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1155090	I think you want a younger hotshot offensive coordinator, preferrably one that has demonstrated an ability to develop a young QB. For this reason, I am on the Jay Gruden bandwagon. He's done a great job with Dalton in Cinci. Some people don't like him because he's Chucky's brother, but his resume is pretty great. He played the position (albeit college and lesser leagues), coached it, has been a championship head coach (albeit a lesser league) and now a successful NFL offensive coordinator working with a rookie starter at QB. Dalton is progressing nicely. He's also in his mid 40's and could conceivably coach 20+ years if it works out. Kyle Shanahan is so young it worries me. Mike McCoy-I don't really get all the love. It's Peyton's offense now, so I don't credit him for what's happening now...and there's a reason Orton was benched for Tebow in the first place. I don't know. I'm not seeing it. Seems to me that Jay Gruden is the perfect guy to draft and develop a QB. Our receiver corps fits a WC style perfectly. If Geno is not our guy (or is not available when we pick), but Barkley is, then this is even more of a slam dunk.
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