Chiefs Our d-line is just disappointing. Time to start over again. - Page 18

Bump · 09-10-2012, 11:28 AM

#5 overall
#3 overall
#11 overall

with all of our money tied into the d-line. The future of our franchise is pretty much determined by these 3 guys. We failed at that and I'm afraid we are going to have to start over....again.

Sure they are ok at stopping the run. But they make no difference when we need players to make a damn difference. They didn't get any sort of push yesterday. Didn't make any plays other than a few good run stops. But when the pressure is on and we need guys to step it up, they will never do that. Don't give me that excuse that d-linemen in this defense aren't gonna get stats and their jobs is to free the OLB's. I've seen plenty of 3-4 defenses where the d-line can step it up and make a play when it's needed. These guys just cannot, of course the verdict is still out on Poe and he did have that one good tackle...

And also, who the **** drafts 3 d-lineman in 5 years in the first round?

Teams that fail do that. If you are gonna build your team around a defensive line, then they better ****ing be able to do something like the Giants d-line. I don't see much difference in the defense when Dorsey and TJax are out and replaced by their backups who were late round picks.

honestly, I think we are going to have to start over again. But if it's not going to be done right, what's the ****ing point? We are going to battle for that #1 pick and honestly, I hope we lose every game this season just to get it. Start over. Do it right. Draft your skill positions in the first round. Starting with QB of course.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-11-2012, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO

Im done defending cassel, but i will say that the way the defense was giving up points, cassel didnt have the room for a "play safe and take care of the ball" type of mentality.

And to dane,ill check this thread tomorrow morning to see if youve answered my question. You think your little insults and emoticons can hide how terrible of a deflector you really are. Clown.

How about you answer my question first, Dumb****?

Fishpicker · 09-11-2012, 01:54 AM

cheer up Dane. this team is going to get better. you'll see. Cassel will do just fine once he finds his groove

Bewbies · 09-11-2012, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Fishpicker

cheer up Dane. this team is going to get better. you'll see. Cassel will do just fine once he finds his groove

Cassel was born without a groove.

Fishpicker · 09-11-2012, 02:04 AM

groove is in the heart. Cassel is human, thus he'll be doing a victory dance sooner or later. give it time.

Hammock Parties · 09-11-2012, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Fishpicker

cassel is human, thus he'll be doing a victory dance sooner or later. give it time.

I bet he can dance his way to .500 this year.

Black Bob · 09-11-2012, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

They did put Reeves on White. Once Jones already had all his completions.

and they say my posts are stupid....

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What I've said all along is that 12 wins should be the bottom line.

I don't necessarily believe that they'll hit that mark but there's enough talent, even with Cassel, to hit that mark.

I'm with you man.

**Easy 6** · 09-11-2012, 11:31 AM

i knew this place would be about as much fun as having Brock Lesnar administer a hamburger face this week.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-11-2012, 02:15 PM

As long as Peeholi keeps tossing off 1st rounders on D-line, I'm sure we'll get it right one decade...

A Salt Weapon · 09-11-2012, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

I'm fine with Poe playing both.

The main thing i want is for the Oline to not be so comfortable with our DLine. The 2-gap system is very passive for the DLine. They intentionally engage the Oline and that takes a lot of pressure off the offensive lineman.

Now if every so often the Dline would just attack then the offensive lineman couldn't be so comfortable with their techniques etc.

1 down the Dline is responsible for 2-gap and have to maintain position

next down the Dline attacks and the linebackers have to be responsible for 1 of the gaps.

This would screw with the Olines blocking assignments and we would create more broken play and have guys running open in the backfield.

JMO

I love this idea, can we get you as our def cordinator for the rest of the season?

Bump · 10-20-2012, 12:00 AM

our defensive line is THE FRANCHISE

how is it doing?

**Rausch** · 10-20-2012, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

5th year starter, Dane.

The job of an NFL game managing QB:

Protect the ball and take what the defense gives you.

NOT be careless with where you hold the ball and then follow up a fumble at a crucial time with 2 interceptions.

That SHOULD put Cassel in hot water.

He needs to become a franchise quarterback by week 6 or he needs to hit the bench and give someone else a try at doing so.

Sounds good. Lets' do it...

Chief Roundup · 10-20-2012, 07:05 AM

Without reading the other 260 plus posts.
Our D-Line is doing exactly what is asked of them. Stop blaming them for doing what they are asked to do. Which means what they are suppose to do. If you don't like their production when it comes to getting pressure or so on in the passing game then you should be blaming the coaching staff not the players. Our Dline is not asked to get sacks and or get to the QB. That is by design from the Coaches.

chiefzilla1501 · 10-20-2012, 07:10 AM

We're not getting nose tackle play, but that's because Poe is way too raw right now. Good nose tackle play improves the play of the entire defensive line. Secondly, these are halfway decent (not great, but good enough) players when they are well coached. Right now, they aren't punching people in the mouth. They're playing soft, finesse defense because Romeo isn't that type of disciplinary coach.

The d-line is better than what we see. But I don't think this 2-gap is getting the best out of this defense. Poe and Dorsey are great fits for a 1-gap.

**the Talking Can** · 10-20-2012, 07:12 AM

they're one dimensional players even at their best

dorsey is tough, but cemented in place
jackson is a pussy
poe is....jesus...

Ace Gunner · 10-20-2012, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

they run the Dallas the 3-4

Jay Ratliff is an attacking/penetrating d-lineman as well

We could probably do that scheme with a guy like Dorsey, but again RAC's defense dates back to the ****ing stone age and is outdated by like 350 years

1) The 34 defense is the most recently devised NFL BASE defense.

2) if you tell Dorsey to "rush the QB" it will take him 340 years to get there

09-10-2012, 11:28 AM
Bump YOU take YOUR seat Join Date: Nov 2007 Casino cash: $-1414895	Our d-line is just disappointing. Time to start over again. #5 overall #3 overall #11 overall with all of our money tied into the d-line. The future of our franchise is pretty much determined by these 3 guys. We failed at that and I'm afraid we are going to have to start over....again. Sure they are ok at stopping the run. But they make no difference when we need players to make a damn difference. They didn't get any sort of push yesterday. Didn't make any plays other than a few good run stops. But when the pressure is on and we need guys to step it up, they will never do that. Don't give me that excuse that d-linemen in this defense aren't gonna get stats and their jobs is to free the OLB's. I've seen plenty of 3-4 defenses where the d-line can step it up and make a play when it's needed. These guys just cannot, of course the verdict is still out on Poe and he did have that one good tackle... And also, who the ** drafts 3 d-lineman in 5 years in the first round? Teams that fail do that. If you are gonna build your team around a defensive line, then they better ing be able to do something like the Giants d-line. I don't see much difference in the defense when Dorsey and TJax are out and replaced by their backups who were late round picks. honestly, I think we are going to have to start over again. But if it's not going to be done right, what's the **ing point? We are going to battle for that #1 pick and honestly, I hope we lose every game this season just to get it. Start over. Do it right. Draft your skill positions in the first round. Starting with QB of course.
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09-11-2012, 01:54 AM	#257
Fishpicker On one quarter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: I play all day Casino cash: $657111	cheer up Dane. this team is going to get better. you'll see. Cassel will do just fine once he finds his groove __________________ A person who has been [ideologically] demoralized cannot assess true information. the [demoralization] process is complete and irreversible. -Yuri Bezmenov on Soviet Subversion
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Fishpicker On one quarter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: I play all day Casino cash: $657111	groove is in the heart. Cassel is human, thus he'll be doing a victory dance sooner or later. give it time. __________________ A person who has been [ideologically] demoralized cannot assess true information. the [demoralization] process is complete and irreversible. -Yuri Bezmenov on Soviet Subversion
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Bump YOU take YOUR seat Join Date: Nov 2007 Casino cash: $-1414895	our defensive line is THE FRANCHISE how is it doing?
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Chief Roundup Admitted Planet Junky Join Date: Oct 2000 Casino cash: $-1348373	Without reading the other 260 plus posts. Our D-Line is doing exactly what is asked of them. Stop blaming them for doing what they are asked to do. Which means what they are suppose to do. If you don't like their production when it comes to getting pressure or so on in the passing game then you should be blaming the coaching staff not the players. Our Dline is not asked to get sacks and or get to the QB. That is by design from the Coaches. __________________ Fanaticism is nowhere. There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
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chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $-1535503	We're not getting nose tackle play, but that's because Poe is way too raw right now. Good nose tackle play improves the play of the entire defensive line. Secondly, these are halfway decent (not great, but good enough) players when they are well coached. Right now, they aren't punching people in the mouth. They're playing soft, finesse defense because Romeo isn't that type of disciplinary coach. The d-line is better than what we see. But I don't think this 2-gap is getting the best out of this defense. Poe and Dorsey are great fits for a 1-gap.
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