Chiefs Our d-line is just disappointing. Time to start over again. - Page 14

Bump · 09-10-2012, 11:28 AM

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with all of our money tied into the d-line. The future of our franchise is pretty much determined by these 3 guys. We failed at that and I'm afraid we are going to have to start over....again.

Sure they are ok at stopping the run. But they make no difference when we need players to make a damn difference. They didn't get any sort of push yesterday. Didn't make any plays other than a few good run stops. But when the pressure is on and we need guys to step it up, they will never do that. Don't give me that excuse that d-linemen in this defense aren't gonna get stats and their jobs is to free the OLB's. I've seen plenty of 3-4 defenses where the d-line can step it up and make a play when it's needed. These guys just cannot, of course the verdict is still out on Poe and he did have that one good tackle...

And also, who the **** drafts 3 d-lineman in 5 years in the first round?

Teams that fail do that. If you are gonna build your team around a defensive line, then they better ****ing be able to do something like the Giants d-line. I don't see much difference in the defense when Dorsey and TJax are out and replaced by their backups who were late round picks.

honestly, I think we are going to have to start over again. But if it's not going to be done right, what's the ****ing point? We are going to battle for that #1 pick and honestly, I hope we lose every game this season just to get it. Start over. Do it right. Draft your skill positions in the first round. Starting with QB of course.

L.A. Chieffan · 09-10-2012, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

I guess we shouldve put Reeves on Roddy WHite then since he had a bad game...

LOL

They did put Reeves on White. Once Jones already had all his completions.

Mr. Laz · 09-10-2012, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Pioli wins, even when he loses!

you're a douche even when you aren't trying

Black Bob · 09-10-2012, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

Was Carr one of Vrabel's students as well?

Possibly, I know he taught Leggit how make read calls.

L.A. Chieffan · 09-10-2012, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

Possibly, I know he taught Leggit how make read calls.

Which article?

THe POS fluff Looney piece on KCCHIEFS.com?

Do get all your "inside info" from there?

jspchief · 09-10-2012, 05:44 PM

I didn't read the entire thread, but before I start talking about the Dline, I want to address the scheme.

This defensive scheme is bad. By design it makes our Dline 1 dimensional. Plus its predictable. If we're in our base, teams know where the pressure is coming from. There's a reason other teams don't run it.

I'm tired of chasing the Patriots' past. **** Pioli, Crennel, and Cassel.

Hammock Parties · 09-10-2012, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

you're a douche even when you aren't trying

I have to be the biggest douche alive, because Pioli has infected our gaping vagina franchise.

We get ****ed by EVERYONE.

Black Bob · 09-10-2012, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

Which article?

THe POS fluff Looney piece on KCCHIEFS.com?

Do get all your "inside info" from there?

No but, if I did, I would definately post the article he did on Routt. Ironically, that's probably the only one that talks him up.

Cannibal · 09-10-2012, 07:00 PM

If we were bound and determined to spend such high draft choices on the d-line, we should be using a 4-3 defense. Then you keep Hali DE, and use the 5 and 11 picks on traditional stud DE and DT. I think we would have seen faster and much better results.

Bewbies · 09-10-2012, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

I didn't read the entire thread, but before I start talking about the Dline, I want to address the scheme.

This defensive scheme is bad. By design it makes our Dline 1 dimensional. Plus its predictable. If we're in our base, teams know where the pressure is coming from. There's a reason other teams don't run it.

I'm tired of chasing the Patriots' past. **** Pioli, Crennel, and Cassel.

Absolutely. If we want to run a 3-4 you should model Pittsburgh, Baltimore or maybe even Houston at this point.

I almost hope we suck just so we can rid ourselves of Pioli and chasing the 2004 Patriot model with the glaring exception of Tom Brady.

The day our owner grows balls and decides to make the Chiefs a team others model from will be a good day.

Bewbies · 09-10-2012, 08:47 PM

I'd also like to comment on Sanchez coming up earlier in the thread. He'd be a better QB in KC.

Outside of his WR that doesn't give a shit, he doesn't have one weapon as good as we do on offense. Each of our position groups WR, TE and RB blow the shit out of what they have in NY.

We would be a better team today if we had taken him over TJ.

**Dave Lane** · 09-10-2012, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

because they are paranoid and hate Pioli

They think that Pioli forced Haley to suck, bugged his phone and did all sorts of ridiculous crap.

.

**Dave Lane** · 09-10-2012, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

This guy HAS to be a mult or troll.

No one is this ****ing stupid.

I stil think he is the return of KCJohnny. KCJ is the only dumb**** I've ever seen that had these stupid takes and was as obstinate about them as BlackMongo.

Hammock Parties · 09-10-2012, 10:55 PM

Dane sure is suddenly negative and down on the Chiefs after telling me they were going to be a good team this year.

Oops.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-10-2012, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Dane sure is suddenly negative and down on the Chiefs after telling me they were going to be a good team this year.

Oops.

What I've said all along is that 12 wins should be the bottom line.

I don't necessarily believe that they'll hit that mark but there's enough talent, even with Cassel, to hit that mark.

I think they'll need to go 1-15 or 2-14 for Pioli to be fired and hell, he might not get fired with either of those records.

Hammock Parties · 09-10-2012, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

there's enough talent, even with Cassel, to hit that mark.

So why are you acting like Scott Pioli is the worst thing to happen to Kansas City since the game?

This is a 6-10, 7-9 team.

I gave them the benefit of the doubt Sunday and they surprised even me with their fail. They are WORSE than I thought.

That's how bad they are.

09-10-2012, 11:28 AM
Bump YOU take YOUR seat Join Date: Nov 2007 Casino cash: $-1414895	Our d-line is just disappointing. Time to start over again. #5 overall #3 overall #11 overall with all of our money tied into the d-line. The future of our franchise is pretty much determined by these 3 guys. We failed at that and I'm afraid we are going to have to start over....again. Sure they are ok at stopping the run. But they make no difference when we need players to make a damn difference. They didn't get any sort of push yesterday. Didn't make any plays other than a few good run stops. But when the pressure is on and we need guys to step it up, they will never do that. Don't give me that excuse that d-linemen in this defense aren't gonna get stats and their jobs is to free the OLB's. I've seen plenty of 3-4 defenses where the d-line can step it up and make a play when it's needed. These guys just cannot, of course the verdict is still out on Poe and he did have that one good tackle... And also, who the ** drafts 3 d-lineman in 5 years in the first round? Teams that fail do that. If you are gonna build your team around a defensive line, then they better ing be able to do something like the Giants d-line. I don't see much difference in the defense when Dorsey and TJax are out and replaced by their backups who were late round picks. honestly, I think we are going to have to start over again. But if it's not going to be done right, what's the **ing point? We are going to battle for that #1 pick and honestly, I hope we lose every game this season just to get it. Start over. Do it right. Draft your skill positions in the first round. Starting with QB of course.
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jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	I didn't read the entire thread, but before I start talking about the Dline, I want to address the scheme. This defensive scheme is bad. By design it makes our Dline 1 dimensional. Plus its predictable. If we're in our base, teams know where the pressure is coming from. There's a reason other teams don't run it. I'm tired of chasing the Patriots' past. **** Pioli, Crennel, and Cassel. __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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Cannibal Better to burn out... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bible Thumping Country Casino cash: $10010618	If we were bound and determined to spend such high draft choices on the d-line, we should be using a 4-3 defense. Then you keep Hali DE, and use the 5 and 11 picks on traditional stud DE and DT. I think we would have seen faster and much better results.
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Bewbies Ith Fuhtbawl Time Join Date: Apr 2010 Casino cash: $9999900	I'd also like to comment on Sanchez coming up earlier in the thread. He'd be a better QB in KC. Outside of his WR that doesn't give a shit, he doesn't have one weapon as good as we do on offense. Each of our position groups WR, TE and RB blow the shit out of what they have in NY. We would be a better team today if we had taken him over TJ.
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