Chiefs Our d-line is just disappointing. Time to start over again. - Page 13

Bump · 09-10-2012, 11:28 AM

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with all of our money tied into the d-line. The future of our franchise is pretty much determined by these 3 guys. We failed at that and I'm afraid we are going to have to start over....again.

Sure they are ok at stopping the run. But they make no difference when we need players to make a damn difference. They didn't get any sort of push yesterday. Didn't make any plays other than a few good run stops. But when the pressure is on and we need guys to step it up, they will never do that. Don't give me that excuse that d-linemen in this defense aren't gonna get stats and their jobs is to free the OLB's. I've seen plenty of 3-4 defenses where the d-line can step it up and make a play when it's needed. These guys just cannot, of course the verdict is still out on Poe and he did have that one good tackle...

And also, who the **** drafts 3 d-lineman in 5 years in the first round?

Teams that fail do that. If you are gonna build your team around a defensive line, then they better ****ing be able to do something like the Giants d-line. I don't see much difference in the defense when Dorsey and TJax are out and replaced by their backups who were late round picks.

honestly, I think we are going to have to start over again. But if it's not going to be done right, what's the ****ing point? We are going to battle for that #1 pick and honestly, I hope we lose every game this season just to get it. Start over. Do it right. Draft your skill positions in the first round. Starting with QB of course.

Red Beans · 09-10-2012, 03:03 PM

Carr is gone. Carr is gone. Carr is gone. We can debate the validity of this decision, but in reality you all know that when we signed Flowers to a long term deal, Carr was gone. Not one NFL team is going to invest that much money in their secondary. Should we? I think we should have. But who gives a **** what I think. We must move on. Carr moved on to Dallas. This situation has nearly become as bad as the Cassel sucks syndrome.

We all know Cassel's limitations. Let's move on.
We all know keeping Carr would have been nice, but he's gone. Let's move on.

This constant debate about Carr needs to cease, as well as the bitching about Casserole's limited mental makeup. Let's stop contrubting to this thread hijack circle jerk.

mcaj22 · 09-10-2012, 03:07 PM

dont worry after this season Carr will be an after thought because next year we can all start our posts out with "Bowe is gone..." instead lol

Red Beans · 09-10-2012, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

dont worry after this season Carr will be an after thought because next year we can all start our posts out with "Bowe is gone..." instead lol

We should just start now...

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-10-2012, 03:13 PM

Or "everybody worth a shit is gone, but we still have hackjob and and hackjob jr", yes...

Hammock Parties · 09-10-2012, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

now this i could go for

Bring in a defensive consultant to help Crennel out with his HC/DC double duties. Have the consultant be a 3-4 guy who runs a 1-gap or at least knows how to run both.

Add some 1-gap plays into the scheme this year

Consultant takes over full DC duties next year and either run a hybrid system or go full 1-gap.

Or just fire all the idiots.

Keep it simple.

L.A. Chieffan · 09-10-2012, 03:38 PM

Week 1

Brandon Carr -1.5
Stanford Routt +1.1

Hammock Parties · 09-10-2012, 03:47 PM

Pioli wins, even when he loses!

**Ming the Merciless** · 09-10-2012, 03:52 PM

Houston had a pretty good game

**Ming the Merciless** · 09-10-2012, 03:53 PM

Tjax with 3 stops too....pretty nice software you got

**Ming the Merciless** · 09-10-2012, 03:55 PM

**** though we need more pressure on the QB

L.A. Chieffan · 09-10-2012, 04:13 PM

Genius move putting Reeves on Julio Jones in the first quarter. Really, just brilliant.

Black Bob · 09-10-2012, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

Genius move putting Reeves on Julio Jones in the first quarter. Really, just brilliant.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe they threw at Reeves because he sucks? Maybe they didn't throw at Routt because they could throw at Reeves? Maybe they put Reeves on Jones because we were out of CBs? Maybe they knew Romeo never moves his corners? How can you possibly tell me about Carr if you dodn't even know that?

Everything I said about Routt in my post was true. The guy has been playing for years and hasn't even started half of his career. He was good yesterday and I hope he continues to be. However, lets not get ahead of ourselves.

Frankie · 09-10-2012, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

3-4 2 gap system

the Dline is NEVER going to look impactful unless you get lucky and grab a Reggie White.

the scheme is meant to unleash the linebackers

it's also meant to blitz

To unleash the LBs shouldn't the DEs at least occupy more than just one guy on the opposing offense? Our DEs don't seem to do that. Every time there's a one to one stalemate between our DEs and the other guys we have lost the battle.

**Ming the Merciless** · 09-10-2012, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

Genius move putting Reeves on Julio Jones in the first quarter. Really, just brilliant.

I guess we shouldve put Reeves on Roddy WHite then since he had a bad game...

LOL

L.A. Chieffan · 09-10-2012, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

Did it ever occur to you that maybe they threw at Reeves because he sucks? Maybe they didn't throw at Routt because they could throw at Reeves? Maybe they put Reeves on Jones because we were out of CBs? Mybe they knew Romeo never moves his corners? How can you possibly tell me about Carr if you dodn't even know that?

Everything I said about Routt in my post was true. The guy has been playing for years and hasn't even started half of his career. He was good yesterday and I hope he continues to be. However, lets not get ahead of ourselves.

Was Carr one of Vrabel's students as well?

09-10-2012, 11:28 AM
Bump YOU take YOUR seat Join Date: Nov 2007 Casino cash: $-1414895	Our d-line is just disappointing. Time to start over again. #5 overall #3 overall #11 overall with all of our money tied into the d-line. The future of our franchise is pretty much determined by these 3 guys. We failed at that and I'm afraid we are going to have to start over....again. Sure they are ok at stopping the run. But they make no difference when we need players to make a damn difference. They didn't get any sort of push yesterday. Didn't make any plays other than a few good run stops. But when the pressure is on and we need guys to step it up, they will never do that. Don't give me that excuse that d-linemen in this defense aren't gonna get stats and their jobs is to free the OLB's. I've seen plenty of 3-4 defenses where the d-line can step it up and make a play when it's needed. These guys just cannot, of course the verdict is still out on Poe and he did have that one good tackle... And also, who the ** drafts 3 d-lineman in 5 years in the first round? Teams that fail do that. If you are gonna build your team around a defensive line, then they better ing be able to do something like the Giants d-line. I don't see much difference in the defense when Dorsey and TJax are out and replaced by their backups who were late round picks. honestly, I think we are going to have to start over again. But if it's not going to be done right, what's the **ing point? We are going to battle for that #1 pick and honestly, I hope we lose every game this season just to get it. Start over. Do it right. Draft your skill positions in the first round. Starting with QB of course.
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Red Beans Not dead yet... Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Indian Creek Casino cash: $1689903	Carr is gone. Carr is gone. Carr is gone. We can debate the validity of this decision, but in reality you all know that when we signed Flowers to a long term deal, Carr was gone. Not one NFL team is going to invest that much money in their secondary. Should we? I think we should have. But who gives a **** what I think. We must move on. Carr moved on to Dallas. This situation has nearly become as bad as the Cassel sucks syndrome. We all know Cassel's limitations. Let's move on. We all know keeping Carr would have been nice, but he's gone. Let's move on. This constant debate about Carr needs to cease, as well as the bitching about Casserole's limited mental makeup. Let's stop contrubting to this thread hijack circle jerk.
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