Chiefs Our d-line is just disappointing. Time to start over again. - Page 7

Bump · 09-10-2012, 11:28 AM

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with all of our money tied into the d-line. The future of our franchise is pretty much determined by these 3 guys. We failed at that and I'm afraid we are going to have to start over....again.

Sure they are ok at stopping the run. But they make no difference when we need players to make a damn difference. They didn't get any sort of push yesterday. Didn't make any plays other than a few good run stops. But when the pressure is on and we need guys to step it up, they will never do that. Don't give me that excuse that d-linemen in this defense aren't gonna get stats and their jobs is to free the OLB's. I've seen plenty of 3-4 defenses where the d-line can step it up and make a play when it's needed. These guys just cannot, of course the verdict is still out on Poe and he did have that one good tackle...

And also, who the **** drafts 3 d-lineman in 5 years in the first round?

Teams that fail do that. If you are gonna build your team around a defensive line, then they better ****ing be able to do something like the Giants d-line. I don't see much difference in the defense when Dorsey and TJax are out and replaced by their backups who were late round picks.

honestly, I think we are going to have to start over again. But if it's not going to be done right, what's the ****ing point? We are going to battle for that #1 pick and honestly, I hope we lose every game this season just to get it. Start over. Do it right. Draft your skill positions in the first round. Starting with QB of course.

Black Bob · 09-10-2012, 12:42 PM

The only way that Dallas 1 gap system would work is if we moved Jackson to NT and we aren't going to do that. He has rotated in there a little bit in the past and it didn't work. Essentially, we have ran this formation as a sub package in previous years with little success. The only 1 gap we currently run is with Poe at NT. Romeo has talked about it before.

Maybe we would have done this more if we had signed Franklin but we didn't. It would be stupid to run this defense because we don't have the personnel. Also, Bailey hasn't done shit lately and you are crazy if you think he could take a JJ Watt type of role.

The problem isn't the defense. It's the injuries imo.

Black Bob · 09-10-2012, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Poe could be a better DE than NT and Pioli would refuse to move him because it would be admitting a mistake.

Pioli has no say on how Romeo uses Poe.... Why do people think he does???

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Green Bay found one, similar to when they found Rodgers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay_Matthews_III

This concept is to big for some of you to understand.

Mr. Laz · 09-10-2012, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

Pioli has no say on how Romeo uses Poe.... Why do people think he does???

because they are paranoid and hate Pioli

They think that Pioli forced Haley to suck, bugged his phone and did all sorts of ridiculous crap.

Ace Gunner · 09-10-2012, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

I don't know man. It looked like they stopped them pretty well. Even Rodgers, who is a speed freak like Charles and Spiller. The best run I saw all day was the Matt Ryan TD run.

I think they are planning to replace Dorsey with Poe until they can find another guy to play that RDE position.

I thought Poe played okay yesterday, which is a huge jump compared to other Chiefs DL who started as a rook. And, he did it at the position perhaps most challenging -- NT.

Jackson played okay, got some push. Rapoli played LDE and did okay. Bailey played alright but needs to finish now.

They have some guys from recent draft/FA aquisitions, but there are no veteran players to learn from and to me, that is a huge deficit with this team.

**BossChief** · 09-10-2012, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Poe could be a better DE than NT and Pioli would refuse to move him because it would be admitting a mistake.

What makes you think this?

The responsibilities of ends and the NT in this defense are nearly identical.

Did you go to ups house and watch a bunch of Memphis games or something?

Black Bob · 09-10-2012, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Lou_Zare

I think they are planning to replace Dorsey with Poe until they can find another guy to play that RDE position.

I thought Poe played okay yesterday, which is a huge jump compared to other Chiefs DL who started as a rook. And, he did it at the position perhaps most challenging -- NT.

Jackson played okay, got some push. Rapoli played LDE and did okay. Bailey played alright but needs to finish now.

They have some guys from recent draft/FA aquisitions, but there are no veteran players to learn from and to me, that is a huge deficit with this team.

Dorsey has been pretty good considering he's not really built for the 3-4 DE position. He is a large part of the reason for Hali's success. He helps Hali stay one vs. one. I won't be suprised if they resign Dorsey but he will probably walk.

A vet would be nice.

**HemiEd** · 09-10-2012, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

And IIRC....didn't they trade back into the 1st round to get him?

yep, they took Raji with their first pick. No talent whatsoever in that draft.

**HemiEd** · 09-10-2012, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

This concept is to big for some of you to understand.

Please help me understand.

Green Bay killed that draft, and they have a history of doing so.

**MahiMike** · 09-10-2012, 12:55 PM

Agreed. I don't give a shit if it's our personnel or our scheme. I don't care if they put Jerrell Powe at safety and run him around the end. Just do SOMETHING different. Watching that game last night, I saw 2 QB's scrambling for their lives. Our guys aren't scary w/halloween masks on.

Black Bob · 09-10-2012, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

yep, they took Raji with their first pick. No talent whatsoever in that draft.

Raji hasn't been that good. He's had one good year and is about equal to Jackson as far as his whole body of work.

Everyone in the top 10 missed on guys like Mathews and that's the point. that is well known to be the worst draft class and biggest crapshoot of all time. We came out OK.

The Pack had Ted Thompson who is one of the best. Which goes back to my original point. It's stupid just to take a QB in the top 10 for the sake of taking one. We need to know what we are taking. Getting a bad QB can set you back further than any position.

Molitoth · 09-10-2012, 12:59 PM

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Our d-line is just disappointing. Time to start over again.

No thanks. No more wasted D-Line picks. How about a QB for once?

**the Talking Can** · 09-10-2012, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

Raji hasn't been that good. He's had one good year and is about equal to Jackson as far as his whole body of work.

jesus

**HemiEd** · 09-10-2012, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

Raji hasn't been that good. He's had one good year and is about equal to Jackson.

Everyone in the top 10 missed on guys like Mathews and that's the point. that is well known to be the worst draft class and biggest crapshoot of all time. We came out OK.

We came out ok? I am going on memory here, but didn't the Chiefs have about 10 picks?

Who is left on the team from that draft? Jackson and Succop? Washington?

I would take Raji, Lang and Mathews over that trio, even though I do agree Jackson is improving. (his contract about to come up?)

**BossChief** · 09-10-2012, 01:02 PM

Raji might be the most overrated player this board has a love affair with IMO.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-10-2012, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

Raji hasn't been that good. He's had one good year and is about equal to Jackson as far as his whole body of work.

Everyone in the top 10 missed on guys like Mathews and that's the point. that is well known to be the worst draft class and biggest crapshoot of all time. We came out OK.

The Pack had Ted Thompson who is one of the best. Which goes back to my original point. It's stupid just to take a QB in the top 10 for the sake of taking one. We need to know what we are taking. Getting a bad QB can set you back further than any position.

You are either a mult or the dumbest ****ing person on Chiefsplanet.

09-10-2012, 11:28 AM
Bump YOU take YOUR seat Join Date: Nov 2007 Casino cash: $-1414895	Our d-line is just disappointing. Time to start over again. #5 overall #3 overall #11 overall with all of our money tied into the d-line. The future of our franchise is pretty much determined by these 3 guys. We failed at that and I'm afraid we are going to have to start over....again. Sure they are ok at stopping the run. But they make no difference when we need players to make a damn difference. They didn't get any sort of push yesterday. Didn't make any plays other than a few good run stops. But when the pressure is on and we need guys to step it up, they will never do that. Don't give me that excuse that d-linemen in this defense aren't gonna get stats and their jobs is to free the OLB's. I've seen plenty of 3-4 defenses where the d-line can step it up and make a play when it's needed. These guys just cannot, of course the verdict is still out on Poe and he did have that one good tackle... And also, who the ** drafts 3 d-lineman in 5 years in the first round? Teams that fail do that. If you are gonna build your team around a defensive line, then they better ing be able to do something like the Giants d-line. I don't see much difference in the defense when Dorsey and TJax are out and replaced by their backups who were late round picks. honestly, I think we are going to have to start over again. But if it's not going to be done right, what's the **ing point? We are going to battle for that #1 pick and honestly, I hope we lose every game this season just to get it. Start over. Do it right. Draft your skill positions in the first round. Starting with QB of course.
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09-10-2012, 12:42 PM	#91
Black Bob Veteran Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Mohawk Town Casino cash: $10004900	The only way that Dallas 1 gap system would work is if we moved Jackson to NT and we aren't going to do that. He has rotated in there a little bit in the past and it didn't work. Essentially, we have ran this formation as a sub package in previous years with little success. The only 1 gap we currently run is with Poe at NT. Romeo has talked about it before. Maybe we would have done this more if we had signed Franklin but we didn't. It would be stupid to run this defense because we don't have the personnel. Also, Bailey hasn't done shit lately and you are crazy if you think he could take a JJ Watt type of role. The problem isn't the defense. It's the injuries imo.
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MahiMike He's Mahomie! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Jax, FL Casino cash: $10023443	Agreed. I don't give a shit if it's our personnel or our scheme. I don't care if they put Jerrell Powe at safety and run him around the end. Just do SOMETHING different. Watching that game last night, I saw 2 QB's scrambling for their lives. Our guys aren't scary w/halloween masks on. __________________ 99.9%
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BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1525912	Raji might be the most overrated player this board has a love affair with IMO.
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