Chiefs Our d-line is just disappointing. Time to start over again. - Page 6

Bump · 09-10-2012, 11:28 AM

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with all of our money tied into the d-line. The future of our franchise is pretty much determined by these 3 guys. We failed at that and I'm afraid we are going to have to start over....again.

Sure they are ok at stopping the run. But they make no difference when we need players to make a damn difference. They didn't get any sort of push yesterday. Didn't make any plays other than a few good run stops. But when the pressure is on and we need guys to step it up, they will never do that. Don't give me that excuse that d-linemen in this defense aren't gonna get stats and their jobs is to free the OLB's. I've seen plenty of 3-4 defenses where the d-line can step it up and make a play when it's needed. These guys just cannot, of course the verdict is still out on Poe and he did have that one good tackle...

And also, who the **** drafts 3 d-lineman in 5 years in the first round?

Teams that fail do that. If you are gonna build your team around a defensive line, then they better ****ing be able to do something like the Giants d-line. I don't see much difference in the defense when Dorsey and TJax are out and replaced by their backups who were late round picks.

honestly, I think we are going to have to start over again. But if it's not going to be done right, what's the ****ing point? We are going to battle for that #1 pick and honestly, I hope we lose every game this season just to get it. Start over. Do it right. Draft your skill positions in the first round. Starting with QB of course.

Mr. Laz · 09-10-2012, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

I wouldn't move away from the 3-4. I'd transition over to what the Texans and Cowboys run.

now this i could go for

Bring in a defensive consultant to help Crennel out with his HC/DC double duties. Have the consultant be a 3-4 guy who runs a 1-gap or at least knows how to run both.

Add some 1-gap plays into the scheme this year

Consultant takes over full DC duties next year and either run a hybrid system or go full 1-gap.

htismaqe · 09-10-2012, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

now this i could go for

Bring in a defensive consultant to help Crennel out with his HC/DC double duties. Have the consultant be a 3-4 guy who runs a 1-gap or at least knows how to run both.

Add some 1-gap plays into the scheme this year

Consultant takes over full DC duties next year and either run a hybrid system or go full 1-gap.

I LOVE this idea. Absolutely love it.

LiL stumppy · 09-10-2012, 12:16 PM

Start over? Jfc people

Black Bob · 09-10-2012, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I must have missed where Berry is a ****ing defensive lineman that can't rush the ****ing passer...

You said it was about taking QBs in the top 10. It's the same ****ing thing in the other years. The talent wasn't good at the QB position.Furthermore, I bet more Chiefs fans wanted to take Suh than Berry. Is Suh a d-linemen dumbass?

Edit: Here it is...

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

What do most of those teams have in common? When they had a top 10 (or even top 5) pick, they took a QUARTERBACK.

We've spent so many top draft picks on linemen that we're woefully thin on top-tier talent elsewhere.

**The Franchise** · 09-10-2012, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

now this i could go for

Bring in a defensive consultant to help Crennel out with his HC/DC double duties. Have the consultant be a 3-4 guy who runs a 1-gap or at least knows how to run both.

Add some 1-gap plays into the scheme this year

Consultant takes over full DC duties next year and either run a hybrid system or go full 1-gap.

Anybody from the Patriots that can do that?

Seriously though.....Poe needs to be rotating in at DE. Powe showed flashes at NT. He should be getting snaps there.

Black Bob · 09-10-2012, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Lou_Zare

20 rushes, 67 yds = 3.1ypc = meh, not good when it's only 20 carries in a game.

I'll put it this way, 3.1ypc isn't going to scare OC's away from the run game. What did effect this game was the fact the Falcons score on short field possessions. That means this defense got off easy in terms of PG stats. It was a lot worse than stats indicate, mugs.

I don't know man. It looked like they stopped them pretty well. Even Rodgers, who is a speed freak like Charles and Spiller. The best run I saw all day was the Matt Ryan TD run.

Chiefs Pantalones · 09-10-2012, 12:26 PM

The guys on Sirius were saying we're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. We'd be dominate if we ran a 4-3 they said.

Black Bob · 09-10-2012, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Anybody from the Patriots that can do that?

Seriously though.....Poe needs to be rotating in at DE. Powe showed flashes at NT. He should be getting snaps there.

I want Powe to be good. He was my favorite pick last year. He hardly played against the ones in the preseason. I saw him a little yesterday. I don't think we can really say we know the whole story there. However, I somewhat agree. I think rotating Poe across the WHOLE d-line would be pretty special. To this point, Poe has been much better than Powe in my opinion. We need Powe to be more destructive if he is going to be the starting NT. He's just not as destructive as Poe yet. Powe had a sack in the preseason but Poe has collapsed the pocket multiple times. He has made plays in every game.

Mr. Laz · 09-10-2012, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Anybody from the Patriots that can do that?

Seriously though.....Poe needs to be rotating in at DE. Powe showed flashes at NT. He should be getting snaps there.

I'm fine with Poe playing both.

The main thing i want is for the Oline to not be so comfortable with our DLine. The 2-gap system is very passive for the DLine. They intentionally engage the Oline and that takes a lot of pressure off the offensive lineman.

Now if every so often the Dline would just attack then the offensive lineman couldn't be so comfortable with their techniques etc.

1 down the Dline is responsible for 2-gap and have to maintain position

next down the Dline attacks and the linebackers have to be responsible for 1 of the gaps.

This would screw with the Olines blocking assignments and we would create more broken play and have guys running open in the backfield.

JMO

Black Bob · 09-10-2012, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Are you mentally challenged?

Brian Orapko, Clay Matthews, Brian Cushing, Mark Sanchez and Josh Freeman would have been far better selections than Jackson, as would Alex Mack, Jeremy Maclin, Percy Harvin, Eric Wood or Vontae Davis.

Tyson Jackson would have been a good choice in the third round. Number three overall?

Not so much.

Hindsight is 20/20. This is a horrible post. Look at the next ten picks after ours. Everyone passed on the guys you list there. The earliest any of those guys went was #13.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-10-2012, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I LOVE this idea. Absolutely love it.

Which is why it'll never happen.

Plus, Pioli's set in his ways. If he's here next year, you can damn sure bet they'll be running the same schemes on both sides of the ball.

**The Franchise** · 09-10-2012, 12:35 PM

Poe could be a better DE than NT and Pioli would refuse to move him because it would be admitting a mistake.

**HemiEd** · 09-10-2012, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

Second, Look at the picks the year Pioli took Jackson. They aren't very good players. maybe we could have taken Raji but he hasn't been that great. Jackson looks pretty good to me when you look at that class. I'm not really sure where you think we were going to get an impact player in that bunch?

Green Bay found one, similar to when they found Rodgers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay_Matthews_III

**The Franchise** · 09-10-2012, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Green Bay found one, similar to when they found Rodgers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay_Matthews_III

And IIRC....didn't they trade back into the 1st round to get him?

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-10-2012, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

Hindsight is 20/20. This is a horrible post. Look at the next ten picks after ours. Everyone passed on the guys you list there. The earliest any of those guys went was #13.

Urine idiot.

I'd suggest you stop posting and have a brain scan asap.

09-10-2012, 11:28 AM
Bump YOU take YOUR seat Join Date: Nov 2007 Casino cash: $-1414895	Our d-line is just disappointing. Time to start over again. #5 overall #3 overall #11 overall with all of our money tied into the d-line. The future of our franchise is pretty much determined by these 3 guys. We failed at that and I'm afraid we are going to have to start over....again. Sure they are ok at stopping the run. But they make no difference when we need players to make a damn difference. They didn't get any sort of push yesterday. Didn't make any plays other than a few good run stops. But when the pressure is on and we need guys to step it up, they will never do that. Don't give me that excuse that d-linemen in this defense aren't gonna get stats and their jobs is to free the OLB's. I've seen plenty of 3-4 defenses where the d-line can step it up and make a play when it's needed. These guys just cannot, of course the verdict is still out on Poe and he did have that one good tackle... And also, who the ** drafts 3 d-lineman in 5 years in the first round? Teams that fail do that. If you are gonna build your team around a defensive line, then they better ing be able to do something like the Giants d-line. I don't see much difference in the defense when Dorsey and TJax are out and replaced by their backups who were late round picks. honestly, I think we are going to have to start over again. But if it's not going to be done right, what's the **ing point? We are going to battle for that #1 pick and honestly, I hope we lose every game this season just to get it. Start over. Do it right. Draft your skill positions in the first round. Starting with QB of course.
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