Chiefs This team will 1000x better without Todd Haley - Page 5

CoMoChief · 08-08-2012, 10:49 PM

I truly believe that. I also believe that when players like/respect a coach, they tend to play very hard for them.

I think more so in football than any pro sport, the head coach on a football has to have the ability to lead, to direct, to drive the ship etc. Romeo Crennel, a lot like DV, will let his coaches coach. I seriously doubt Haley was that way. He was a control maniac on offense.

For ****s sake he Fired the OC just weeks before the regular season. I mean you just have to sit back and ask yourself what kind of person does Haley have to be to make a silly, borderline insane decision like that? Everything they've worked on in the summer at TC, they're just going to wipe the slate clean and start from scratch for Week1? Haley's was an insane control freak. What do you think the players thought about that? I mean that would be like working on a huge project for weeks for a huge potential client or something at work and the project due date is only a couple days away and your project mngr comes in and just shoves everything off of the table and says "let's do this instead". If shit like that pisses you off how do you think the players felt? This is the part where the HC has to be competent enough to be able to drive the ship. Have consistency in the locker rooms, film rooms, being on the same page etc.

He couldn't handle having someone else coach the offense. HE had to do it, because he thinks the Arizona Cardinals got to the SB because of him. The passing game under his era didn't do ****ing dick in Kansas City and as much as I can't stand the fact that Cassel is our QB and wish for something better, I also can't sit here and say that it's entirely his fault. Haley didn't think much of Cassel. The proof was there in his face on the sidelines. Haley's father even talked about how he thought Cassel was just average at best and it would be a safe bet to assume that Todd Haley and Dick Haley have had conversations about that. You tend to adopt what your parents believe and Todd's father was his door into the NFL world. If Dick thought Cassel was average wouldn't you think Todd thought that as well?

We all know that Matt Cassel was a Pioli decision and Haley was forced fed Cassel. What else is Haley going to do? Quit? It's his first NFL head coaching gig, he was a ****ing hand puppet. Haley probably had little to no faith in Cassel from the get go and combine that with Haley's temper you get a horrible coaching environment. Combine that with the whole Chan Gailey situation, Larry Johnson, horrible Oline and WR talent or lack thereof and well you have a complete cluster**** mess on offense. The only thing good at all that season was Jamaal Charles.

In 2010 when Charlie Weis came to KC, the offense became much better. Another Pioli move, Weis was a proven name, a OC players could respect We ran the ball like hell and Cassel didn't turn over the ball. He wasn't great by any means, and the true fans love the get off to his TD/INT ratio, but that didn't tell the entire story on Cassel's season that year. He still threw shitty underthrown high school girl passes, had shitty completion%, barley threw for 3,000 yards and his yards per completion was just sub average at best (ranked 18th in NFL). Over half of his TD's were to Bowe. We are all aware of Cassel's inability to read defenses and progress through his WR options. He locks on for too long, holds onto the ball for too long and gets sacked a lot. Cassel loves getting sacked, in fact he's good at doing it. Here's where he's ranked in the NFL:

2008: 1st
2009: 4th
2010: 18th (not bad, but not great either. And then you have to consider how much we ran the ball).
2011: 5th (projected)
- Cassel played in 9 games and was sacked 22 times, averaging 2.4 sacks a game. Over a 16-game period that gives a total of 39.1 (or 39) sacks for a full season, which would have ranked Cassel 5th in the NFL.

But the most important thing about Cassel that season was that he rarely turned the ball over, which was huge and a reason why we won 10 games that year. If you win the turnover battle you win games, it's as simple as that. With a proven OC it at least gave Cassel a better coaching environment to work within. Give him a couple receiving options and a strong running game and you can have success in this league with a good defense on the other side creating turnovers and scores. It's been done before. It's not what I'd prefer. I'd prefer to have an elite QB for 10yrs and consistently be a playoff contender and SB threat like the Colts, Patriots and now Giants and Packers. This is now a QB-driven league. When you want to win the Matt Cassel game manager's way, you need more pieces to fall in place and you need to have a little more luck. Elite QB's make other players around them better. Matt Cassel has to have the players around him, make him better. Elite QB's are the ones that thrive while under pressure and have the ability to lead drives to TD's, put points on the board when needed to win games. Cassel can't do that. You could count the number of times he's single handedly drove the offense down field, coming from behind to set up for a winning score (TD or FG) and still have enough fingers to smoke a j.

We were seeing some success on offense thanks to the help of the shitty division that is the NFCWest. But when it came down to playoff time Haley had to intervene once again with his egotistical and maniac behavior and strip another highly regarded OC from his playcalling duties. This time it was during the Chiefs first home playoff games since 2003. The game wasn't a 24-7 halftime blowout, it was ****ing 10-7 and we were 100% in the game. Weis would then move on to the Univ. of Florida for the same position, stating that it was family reasons were the reason for the departure. Now, being that he's now moved back to the area coaching what has to be one of the worst football factories in the country, do yo honestly believe his statement? I sure as **** don't. He was probably tired of Haley's shit. There were reports during the season and in camp that these guys butted heads and one could see why. Weis and Haley worked together in the same office while w/ the NYJ. Weis went on to the Pats and won Superbowls and became a household name, and then went on to be the HC at one of college football's most prestigious programs, Notre Dame. I don't care what people say there is going to be natural headbutting just because of those 2 ego's and what they've been able to accomplish. It's not weird to assume that Weis probably felt like he was 10000% more qualified for the job than Haley was.

Again you have to ask yourself, why would a NFL coach do something like that? Stripping away playcalling duties from your highly regarded, resume-filled OC during the franchise's biggest playoff game in 7 years at halftime in a close game? The answer is because Todd Haley was (a) way in over his head in being a head coach in the NFL and (b) a Bill Parcels wanna-be egotistical control freak that couldn't handle someone else running the offense. When he was hired he was asked the question who's going to run the offense, and he gave some bullshit cliche' answer with a shit eating grin on his face, the kind of look that a little 9-yr old kid makes when you ask him/her who his school crush is. Then came the Bill Muir era, as Todd Haley needed a puppet of his own. I don't think anyone truly believed Muir was capable of orchestrating an entire offense alone. Haley called the shots, and Muir said **** it and took naps upstairs in the coordinators booth.

Point being this is going to be a much better season offensively for the Chiefs. Daboll isn't exactly great, but I also believe it's the players that make the plays and he has a lot to work with. There's more consistency with the coaching staff, a better environment. The players want to play for their coach which is always good. Haley's temper and attitude is what eventually got the best of him. I don't know what he said to Bowe that ultimately led to him getting canned but what I do know is that it had to be something bad enough to where Bowe would tell his agent about it and for Pioli to tell Haley to knock it off. And when you think about it that's completely acting like an immature goon and it's not acting like a professional NFL head coach or leader... and you don't think other players heard that? I bet that kinda shit went on all the time and there comes a time that it happens too much and players will develop the "tune-out switch". A player will have a hard time respecting a coach if the coach doesn't respect them.

Maybe Haley acts like he does because he lives in a house full of women. Doesn't he have like 4 daughters or something?

I know there are a lot of "IF's" but the Chiefs do have a chance to be a good sleeper's pick this season.

-Better Oline (hopefully) leads to better play/confidence in Cassel.
-Better consistency/chain of command in the lockeroom with coaching staff will probably lead to better game preparation.
-Better weapons on offense (assuming Bowe comes back and can hit the ground running)
-Being healthy is HUGE
-Potentially great defense

On a positive note, this team almost won the ****ing division last season considering everything the Chiefs had gone through. There are a lot more positives than there are negatives regarding this season's Chiefs team and that's something we haven't been able to say for a long time.

Peyton Manning makes things extremely challenging this season. But I don't think he'll be as good with Denver as he was the Indy. Not because of his neck but because of the unfamiliarity. He completely ran the show in Indy and did it repeatedly for a very long time. There will be an adjustment period and even though I don't think he neck will be an issue, that certainly doesn't mean that it won't be, he has yet to be blasted by Hali and Houston. But he is that damn good and I would never count him out.

But I think everyone should look on the bright side and that this team will be better simply due to the fact that we no longer have some egotistical nutcase driving the ship.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-09-2012, 11:15 AM

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I hate when people try to compare Haley's attitude to the likes of Parcells, Coughlin and Bellichick!!!! Those guys knew what they were doing from a physiological perspective... Haley just yelled because he was pissed and didn't know what the fuck he was doing! How many times did one catch Haley screaming without explaining why he was screaming? It happened often.

If you want to support the horrible coach in Haley then go cheer for the fucking Steelers!

What player got worse under his watch? Every player got better. Every player cared about conditioning. Every player seemed driven to get better.

I don't know how people can suggest he didn't know what he was doing in terms of developing football players.

Brock · 08-09-2012, 11:20 AM

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Completely disagree. Haley boldly implemented a terrific conditioning program -- despite the fiasco that was last offseason, our players were extremely well disciplined, very well coached, always in great shape, and players were motivated to become better players. That's different from gun, who screamed but still pumps out soft football players. From a player development standpoint, Haley was phenomenal.

As for the offense, I don't know. I also dont think he was given a fair chance. We talk all year long about how critical the qb is, yet we expect our coach to pump out a great offense with a bad qb. Doesn't make sense. When Haley called plays and jamaal Charles was the main rb in 2009, the offense didn't look bad. In 2011,we didn't get much chance to see that. So I don't know that we know enough to make that judgment. We are basically basing his entire track record off his rookie season and a third season with a lousy offensive coordinator, a 3rd string running back, and a bottom of the barrel starting qb.

You can argue that some players got better when Haley was coach. I didn't see any evidence at all that Haley knew what he was doing when actually coaching a game. I wanted to like the guy, then he would blow a 2 minute drill, or he would fake a punt from his own 30 with Brodie Croyle. His gameday coaching was on par with Herm Edwards. Maybe worse at times.

lcarus · 08-09-2012, 11:24 AM

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You can argue that some players got better when Haley was coach. I didn't see any evidence at all that Haley knew what he was doing when actually coaching a game. I wanted to like the guy, then he would blow a 2 minute drill, or he would fake a punt from his own 30 with Brodie Croyle. His gameday coaching was on par with Herm Edwards. Maybe worse at times.

I can't believe how many times our offense would have to call timeout or get a delay of game penalty. On just routine plays, like first down and 10 on our own 20 yard line after a punt or kickoff. How does that happen?

Direckshun · 08-09-2012, 11:24 AM

Zilla, there's almost no excuse for Haley's 2011 season.

He took the OC reigns again. He played his starters the entire game in the 4th preseason game. He seemingly intentionally put garbage talent packages on the field to screw with Pioli's lack of acquisitions. There was some still that GoChiefs posted a year ago that showed Haley's formation with that Urban and Pope as the receivers out wide.

He just absolutely did not fit with this organization, at the very least. At the very most, he is simply not able to handle the pressures of coaching at the highest level.

Direckshun · 08-09-2012, 11:25 AM

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I can't believe how many times our offense would have to call timeout or get a delay of game penalty. On just routine plays, like first down and 10 on our own 20 yard line after a punt or kickoff. How does that happen?

How many times did we see players line up wrong?

A ton.

lcarus · 08-09-2012, 11:29 AM

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How many times did we see players line up wrong?

A ton.

Yeah, it was just awfully disorganized. Illegal formations, illegal shifts, delay of game, burning timeouts unnecessarily. Those things can ruin a drive before it even starts, and losing timeouts due to sloppy mistakes can cost you at the end of the half, or even worse...at the end of the game.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-09-2012, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

You can argue that some players got better when Haley was coach. I didn't see any evidence at all that Haley knew what he was doing when actually coaching a game. I wanted to like the guy, then he would blow a 2 minute drill, or he would fake a punt from his own 30 with Brodie Croyle. His gameday coaching was on par with Herm Edwards. Maybe worse at times.

Yeah, there's truth to that. But again, he was a young coach, and I'd rather a good coach who can't manage games than a good game manager who can't coach. There are a lot more bad game managers in the league than we realize. I'll also make one excuse for Haley -- the majority of his wild-eyed chances were taken in years where we were very uncompetitive. I think he knew we weren't going to win many games with our 2009 squad unless we took stupid risks. Remember that in 2010, we didn't see a lot of those mistakes.

In terms of developing players... I think that's BS he didn't help much. We forget that Dorsey and Bowe and a whole bunch of other players were overweight and entitled. They came into camp overweight, and didn't seem to care. His demand that Branden Albert drop weight was a terrific decision. His conversion of Tamba Hali into a lighter weight 3/4 OLB... tremendous decision. Dwayne Bowe didn't begin intense training with Fitzgerald until Haley came on board. DJ went from a scatter-brained freelancer to a pro bowl LB. He wasn't afraid to take a chance on Jovan Belcher. He didn't give up on Tyson Jackson even though everyone else had. And let's not forget, he did all of this development organically. He didn't have the huge salary players a lot of coaches get. He worked primarily with bottom-of-the-barrel players.

lcarus · 08-09-2012, 11:34 AM

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Yeah, there's truth to that. But again, he was a young coach, and I'd rather a good coach who can't manage games than a good game manager who can't coach. There are a lot more bad game managers in the league than we realize. I'll also make one excuse for Haley -- the majority of his wild-eyed chances were taken in years where we were very uncompetitive. I think he knew we weren't going to win many games with our 2009 squad unless we took stupid risks. Remember that in 2010, we didn't see a lot of those mistakes.

In terms of developing players... I think that's BS he didn't help much. We forget that Dorsey and Bowe and a whole bunch of other players were overweight and entitled. They came into camp overweight, and didn't seem to care. His demand that Branden Albert drop weight was a terrific decision. His conversion of Tamba Hali into a lighter weight 3/4 OLB... tremendous decision. Dwayne Bowe didn't begin intense training with Fitzgerald until Haley came on board. DJ went from a scatter-brained freelancer to a pro bowl LB. He wasn't afraid to take a chance on Jovan Belcher. He didn't give up on Tyson Jackson even though everyone else had. And let's not forget, he did all of this development organically. He didn't have the huge salary players a lot of coaches get. He worked primarily with bottom-of-the-barrel players.

That's the only thing I liked about Haley. He would take ****in chances.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-09-2012, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Zilla, there's almost no excuse for Haley's 2011 season.

He took the OC reigns again. He played his starters the entire game in the 4th preseason game. He seemingly intentionally put garbage talent packages on the field to screw with Pioli's lack of acquisitions. There was some still that GoChiefs posted a year ago that showed Haley's formation with that Urban and Pope as the receivers out wide.

He just absolutely did not fit with this organization, at the very least. At the very most, he is simply not able to handle the pressures of coaching at the highest level.

I've always expressed that Haley was the unfortunate scapegoat for a completely dysfunctional front office. I think the dysfunctions have less to do with a coach being unfit to coach as they are a front office so arrogant that they believe they can treat a head coach in the way that they did, just because he had some differences in opinion. I still think Haley will be a good coach one day. I think Pioli will be a good GM too, but I think in terms of Haley, Pioli was by far the one who showed the most "greenness" when it came to learning a new position.

Direckshun · 08-09-2012, 11:36 AM

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I've always expressed that Haley was the unfortunate scapegoat for a completely dysfunctional front office. I think the dysfunctions have less to do with a coach being unfit to coach as they are a front office so arrogant that they believe they can treat a head coach in the way that they did, just because he had some differences in opinion. I still think Haley will be a good coach one day. I think Pioli will be a good GM too, but I think in terms of Haley, Pioli was by far the one who showed the most "greenness" when it came to learning a new position.

Well then Haley needed to sacrifice three years of Chiefs history to learn how to not be such a nutjob.

Again, Haley is the one in charge of the formations on the field, and who plays. And he was playing Bowe in the fourth quarter of the fourth preseason game. He was seemingly intentionally putting out ridiculous packages. And he absolutely could not coexist with another cook in the kitchen.

durtyrute · 08-09-2012, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Zilla, there's almost no excuse for Haley's 2011 season.

He took the OC reigns again. He played his starters the entire game in the 4th preseason game. He seemingly intentionally put garbage talent packages on the field to screw with Pioli's lack of acquisitions. There was some still that GoChiefs posted a year ago that showed Haley's formation with that Urban and Pope as the receivers out wide.

He just absolutely did not fit with this organization, at the very least. At the very most, he is simply not able to handle the pressures of coaching at the highest level.

I still don't have a problem with how he managed the preseason last year. He thought he was doing the right thing, trying to ease the players into the reg. season. To me, it makes more sense to let the starters get more and more playing time as the preseason goes on, so that when the first game comes they can be ready to go. The whole 2 series, 1 quarter, 3 quarters, 1 quarter set seems stupid, but everyone does it so that's what we expect.

One of Haley's problem was that he tried to be a little too unconventional. The fake punt ,in the Indy game two years ago, is one that sticks out to me. Also, I have a hard time believing that someone would purposely try to **** the team just to get back to the GM.

Speaking of that, the whole Palko thing is what other coaches would've done also. They weren't playing Stanzi and you don't bench a QB after two starts no matter how bad he is when all you have behind him is a rookie, unless your boss makes you. The same people who are saying "draft a QB in the first round" are the same ones saying "why did he play Palko so long, I mean four whole games." This magical first round savior that you guys are pinning for could go a lot longer than four games before he "gets it."

I wanted Haley to stay as long as he eased up on the players and let someone else handle to OC duties, but since that didn't happen. LET'S GO RAC!!!

Brock · 08-09-2012, 11:40 AM

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Also, I have a hard time believing that someone would purposely try to **** the team just to get back to the GM.

Go back and watch the Jets game again. Any NFL GM who saw that and still hires him as a HC deserves whatever they get.

Mr. Laz · 08-09-2012, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Completely disagree. Haley boldly implemented a terrific conditioning program -- despite the fiasco that was last offseason, our players were extremely well disciplined, very well coached, always in great shape, and players were motivated to become better players. That's different from gun, who screamed but still pumps out soft football players. From a player development standpoint, Haley was phenomenal.

As for the offense, I don't know. I also dont think he was given a fair chance. We talk all year long about how critical the qb is, yet we expect our coach to pump out a great offense with a bad qb. Doesn't make sense. When Haley called plays and jamaal Charles was the main rb in 2009, the offense didn't look bad. In 2011,we didn't get much chance to see that. So I don't know that we know enough to make that judgment. We are basically basing his entire track record off his rookie season and a third season with a lousy offensive coordinator, a 3rd string running back, and a bottom of the barrel starting qb.

yea, that's why the offense was worse before and after Weis left

3rd and long ... draw to McCluster
2nd and 8 ... power play up the middle to McCluster

Haley would rather lose with him running the offense then win with someone else.

child please

lcarus · 08-09-2012, 11:41 AM

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I still don't have a problem with how he managed the preseason last year. He thought he was doing the right thing, trying to ease the players into the reg. season. To me, it makes more sense to let the starters get more and more playing time as the preseason goes on, so that when the first game comes they can be ready to go. The whole 2 series, 1 quarter, 3 quarters, 1 quarter set seems stupid, but everyone does it so that's what we expect.

One of Haley's problem was that he tried to be a little too unconventional. The fake punt ,in the Indy game two years ago, is one that sticks out to me. Also, I have a hard time believing that someone would purposely try to **** the team just to get back to the GM.

Speaking of that, the whole Palko thing is what other coaches would've done also. They weren't playing Stanzi and you don't bench a QB after two starts no matter how bad he is when all you have behind him is a rookie, unless your boss makes you. The same people who are saying "draft a QB in the first round" are the same ones saying "why did he play Palko so long, I mean four whole games." This magical first round savior that you guys are pinning for could go a lot longer than four games before he "gets it."

I wanted Haley to stay as long as he eased up on the players and let someone else handle to OC duties, but since that didn't happen. LET'S GO RAC!!!

I don't know if Haley's attitude would have ever allowed for that. He's so egotistical about running an offense, I think there would have always been a conflict there.

Direckshun · 08-09-2012, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by durtyrute

I still don't have a problem with how he managed the preseason last year. He thought he was doing the right thing, trying to ease the players into the reg. season. To me, it makes more sense to let the starters get more and more playing time as the preseason goes on, so that when the first game comes they can be ready to go. The whole 2 series, 1 quarter, 3 quarters, 1 quarter set seems stupid, but everyone does it so that's what we expect.

One of Haley's problem was that he tried to be a little too unconventional. The fake punt ,in the Indy game two years ago, is one that sticks out to me. Also, I have a hard time believing that someone would purposely try to **** the team just to get back to the GM.

Speaking of that, the whole Palko thing is what other coaches would've done also. They weren't playing Stanzi and you don't bench a QB after two starts no matter how bad he is when all you have behind him is a rookie, unless your boss makes you. The same people who are saying "draft a QB in the first round" are the same ones saying "why did he play Palko so long, I mean four whole games." This magical first round savior that you guys are pinning for could go a lot longer than four games before he "gets it."

I wanted Haley to stay as long as he eased up on the players and let someone else handle to OC duties, but since that didn't happen. LET'S GO RAC!!!

The 2011 preseason was an unmitigated disaster. On no planet do you play your starters deep into the fourth quarter on the last preseason game. He was far too rigidly dogmatic.

You saw that with Palko. I don't give a flip about Stanzi being green, Palko is the worst quarterback playing in the NFL at the time. You attempt rescue your season, and move on. He started Palko over Orton, for crying out loud. For two games, I think. Which is just assinine. And he simply did it because Palko was next on the depth chart.

I was rooting for Haley for a longer time than most. Like you said, he developed talent very well. But it was pretty easy to see he completely went off the rails in 2011.

08-08-2012, 10:49 PM
CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $7712254	This team will 1000x better without Todd Haley I truly believe that. I also believe that when players like/respect a coach, they tend to play very hard for them. I think more so in football than any pro sport, the head coach on a football has to have the ability to lead, to direct, to drive the ship etc. Romeo Crennel, a lot like DV, will let his coaches coach. I seriously doubt Haley was that way. He was a control maniac on offense. For **s sake he Fired the OC just weeks before the regular season. I mean you just have to sit back and ask yourself what kind of person does Haley have to be to make a silly, borderline insane decision like that? Everything they've worked on in the summer at TC, they're just going to wipe the slate clean and start from scratch for Week1? Haley's was an insane control freak. What do you think the players thought about that? I mean that would be like working on a huge project for weeks for a huge potential client or something at work and the project due date is only a couple days away and your project mngr comes in and just shoves everything off of the table and says "let's do this instead". If shit like that pisses you off how do you think the players felt? This is the part where the HC has to be competent enough to be able to drive the ship. Have consistency in the locker rooms, film rooms, being on the same page etc. He couldn't handle having someone else coach the offense. HE had to do it, because he thinks the Arizona Cardinals got to the SB because of him. The passing game under his era didn't do ing dick in Kansas City and as much as I can't stand the fact that Cassel is our QB and wish for something better, I also can't sit here and say that it's entirely his fault. Haley didn't think much of Cassel. The proof was there in his face on the sidelines. Haley's father even talked about how he thought Cassel was just average at best and it would be a safe bet to assume that Todd Haley and Dick Haley have had conversations about that. You tend to adopt what your parents believe and Todd's father was his door into the NFL world. If Dick thought Cassel was average wouldn't you think Todd thought that as well? We all know that Matt Cassel was a Pioli decision and Haley was forced fed Cassel. What else is Haley going to do? Quit? It's his first NFL head coaching gig, he was a ing hand puppet. Haley probably had little to no faith in Cassel from the get go and combine that with Haley's temper you get a horrible coaching environment. Combine that with the whole Chan Gailey situation, Larry Johnson, horrible Oline and WR talent or lack thereof and well you have a complete cluster mess on offense. The only thing good at all that season was Jamaal Charles. In 2010 when Charlie Weis came to KC, the offense became much better. Another Pioli move, Weis was a proven name, a OC players could respect We ran the ball like hell and Cassel didn't turn over the ball. He wasn't great by any means, and the true fans love the get off to his TD/INT ratio, but that didn't tell the entire story on Cassel's season that year. He still threw shitty underthrown high school girl passes, had shitty completion%, barley threw for 3,000 yards and his yards per completion was just sub average at best (ranked 18th in NFL). Over half of his TD's were to Bowe. We are all aware of Cassel's inability to read defenses and progress through his WR options. He locks on for too long, holds onto the ball for too long and gets sacked a lot. Cassel loves getting sacked, in fact he's good at doing it. Here's where he's ranked in the NFL: 2008: 1st 2009: 4th 2010: 18th (not bad, but not great either. And then you have to consider how much we ran the ball). 2011: 5th (projected) - Cassel played in 9 games and was sacked 22 times, averaging 2.4 sacks a game. Over a 16-game period that gives a total of 39.1 (or 39) sacks for a full season, which would have ranked Cassel 5th in the NFL. But the most important thing about Cassel that season was that he rarely turned the ball over, which was huge and a reason why we won 10 games that year. If you win the turnover battle you win games, it's as simple as that. With a proven OC it at least gave Cassel a better coaching environment to work within. Give him a couple receiving options and a strong running game and you can have success in this league with a good defense on the other side creating turnovers and scores. It's been done before. It's not what I'd prefer. I'd prefer to have an elite QB for 10yrs and consistently be a playoff contender and SB threat like the Colts, Patriots and now Giants and Packers. This is now a QB-driven league. When you want to win the Matt Cassel game manager's way, you need more pieces to fall in place and you need to have a little more luck. Elite QB's make other players around them better. Matt Cassel has to have the players around him, make him better. Elite QB's are the ones that thrive while under pressure and have the ability to lead drives to TD's, put points on the board when needed to win games. Cassel can't do that. You could count the number of times he's single handedly drove the offense down field, coming from behind to set up for a winning score (TD or FG) and still have enough fingers to smoke a j. We were seeing some success on offense thanks to the help of the shitty division that is the NFCWest. But when it came down to playoff time Haley had to intervene once again with his egotistical and maniac behavior and strip another highly regarded OC from his playcalling duties. This time it was during the Chiefs first home playoff games since 2003. The game wasn't a 24-7 halftime blowout, it was ing 10-7 and we were 100% in the game. Weis would then move on to the Univ. of Florida for the same position, stating that it was family reasons were the reason for the departure. Now, being that he's now moved back to the area coaching what has to be one of the worst football factories in the country, do yo honestly believe his statement? I sure as don't. He was probably tired of Haley's shit. There were reports during the season and in camp that these guys butted heads and one could see why. Weis and Haley worked together in the same office while w/ the NYJ. Weis went on to the Pats and won Superbowls and became a household name, and then went on to be the HC at one of college football's most prestigious programs, Notre Dame. I don't care what people say there is going to be natural headbutting just because of those 2 ego's and what they've been able to accomplish. It's not weird to assume that Weis probably felt like he was 10000% more qualified for the job than Haley was. Again you have to ask yourself, why would a NFL coach do something like that? Stripping away playcalling duties from your highly regarded, resume-filled OC during the franchise's biggest playoff game in 7 years at halftime in a close game? The answer is because Todd Haley was (a) way in over his head in being a head coach in the NFL and (b) a Bill Parcels wanna-be egotistical control freak that couldn't handle someone else running the offense. When he was hired he was asked the question who's going to run the offense, and he gave some bullshit cliche' answer with a shit eating grin on his face, the kind of look that a little 9-yr old kid makes when you ask him/her who his school crush is. Then came the Bill Muir era, as Todd Haley needed a puppet of his own. I don't think anyone truly believed Muir was capable of orchestrating an entire offense alone. Haley called the shots, and Muir said it and took naps upstairs in the coordinators booth. Point being this is going to be a much better season offensively for the Chiefs. Daboll isn't exactly great, but I also believe it's the players that make the plays and he has a lot to work with. There's more consistency with the coaching staff, a better environment. The players want to play for their coach which is always good. Haley's temper and attitude is what eventually got the best of him. I don't know what he said to Bowe that ultimately led to him getting canned but what I do know is that it had to be something bad enough to where Bowe would tell his agent about it and for Pioli to tell Haley to knock it off. And when you think about it that's completely acting like an immature goon and it's not acting like a professional NFL head coach or leader... and you don't think other players heard that? I bet that kinda shit went on all the time and there comes a time that it happens too much and players will develop the "tune-out switch". A player will have a hard time respecting a coach if the coach doesn't respect them. Maybe Haley acts like he does because he lives in a house full of women. Doesn't he have like 4 daughters or something? I know there are a lot of "IF's" but the Chiefs do have a chance to be a good sleeper's pick this season. -Better Oline (hopefully) leads to better play/confidence in Cassel. -Better consistency/chain of command in the lockeroom with coaching staff will probably lead to better game preparation. -Better weapons on offense (assuming Bowe comes back and can hit the ground running) -Being healthy is HUGE -Potentially great defense On a positive note, this team almost won the **ing division last season considering everything the Chiefs had gone through. There are a lot more positives than there are negatives regarding this season's Chiefs team and that's something we haven't been able to say for a long time. Peyton Manning makes things extremely challenging this season. But I don't think he'll be as good with Denver as he was the Indy. Not because of his neck but because of the unfamiliarity. He completely ran the show in Indy and did it repeatedly for a very long time. There will be an adjustment period and even though I don't think he neck will be an issue, that certainly doesn't mean that it won't be, he has yet to be blasted by Hali and Houston. But he is that damn good and I would never count him out. But I think everyone should look on the bright side and that this team will be better simply due to the fact that we no longer have some egotistical nutcase driving the ship.
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08-09-2012, 11:24 AM	#64
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2113447	Zilla, there's almost no excuse for Haley's 2011 season. He took the OC reigns again. He played his starters the entire game in the 4th preseason game. He seemingly intentionally put garbage talent packages on the field to screw with Pioli's lack of acquisitions. There was some still that GoChiefs posted a year ago that showed Haley's formation with that Urban and Pope as the receivers out wide. He just absolutely did not fit with this organization, at the very least. At the very most, he is simply not able to handle the pressures of coaching at the highest level.
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