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Old 03-26-2012, 02:40 PM  
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Peyton “looked real good” throwing to new Broncos teammates

Peyton “looked real good” throwing to new Broncos teammates
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 26, 2012, 3:53 PM EDT


As he settles in with the Broncos, Peyton Manning is learning the rules of the new Collective Bargaining Agreement, including that he can work out with teammates, but only away from the team’s facilities and outside the watchful eyes of the coaches. And that’s exactly what Manning did today.

Lindsay H. Jones of the Denver Post reports that Manning took snaps from center J.D. Walton and threw passes to wide receiver Eric Decker and tight end Julius Thomas during a session at a Denver-area high school, and afterward Decker said he liked what he saw.

“He looked real good, though he probably won’t admit that he’s feeling good or feeling back to the way he wants to be,” Decker said.

Decker said Manning is trying to get comfortable with his new teammates now, and that the players who were on the roster last year are talking to him about the offensive concepts the Broncos employed — even though the offense will be quite a bit different with Manning running it in 2012.

“Just some drill work, talking through stuff, so he gets familiar with the verbage and the calls,” Decker said. “The biggest thing is he wanted to get a feel for us, and a feel for being under center.”

The Denver Post published 23 photos from today’s session. To the extent that you can tell anything from a still photo of a guy throwing a pass in sweats and a T-shirt, Manning looks pretty much like he has always looked.

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He looks pretty thin to me...not that I've looked at any comparison pictures.
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Old 07-27-2012, 06:40 AM   #301
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You guys aren't a better team than you were two years ago. You are pretty much the exact same team.

Denver OTOH has improved greatly on the OL, DL, CB, QB, TE, S, and RB spots.
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Hali, Belcher, DJ, Vrabel = Hali, Belicher, DJ, Houston

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2010 OL < 2012 OL
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Old 07-27-2012, 09:57 AM   #307
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Dorsey, Shaun Smith, Jackson > Dorsey, Poe, Jackson

Hali, Belcher, DJ, Vrabel = Hali, Belicher, DJ, Houston

Flowers, Carr, Berry, McGraw? > Flowers, Routte, Berry, Lewis?

2010 OL < 2012 OL
2010 WR < 2012 WR (If Bowe shows)
2010 RB's = 2012 RB's
2010 QB > 2012 QB

2010 coaching staff > 2012 coaching staff
You think slow dick Vrabel is better than Houston?

and just the fact of not having McGraw back there in the secondary makes this year's secondary better than 2010.

Oline is better

Hillis > Jones
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You think slow dick Vrabel is better than Houston?

and just the fact of not having McGraw back there in the secondary makes this year's secondary better than 2010.

Oline is better

Hillis > Jones
I said the 2010 LB's are = 2012 LB's

Carr > Routte 2010 Berry > 2012 Berry

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I said the 2010 LB's are = 2012 LB's

2010 Hali < 2012 Hali
2010 DJ <<<< 2012 DJ
2010 Belcher < 2012 Belcher
Vrabel < Houston (lol thinking otherwise)

While we're at it,

2010 Dorsey < 2012 Dorsey
2010 Jackson < 2012 Jackson
Shaun Smith ? Poe


2010 Berr ? 2012 Berry - Berry's rookie season he missed a ton of assignments, especially on tight ends.
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But seriously, are the Chiefs a better team right now than they were in 2010?

I'm not trolling. I don't think they are. They had Weis, Crennel, and Haley in 2010 and have Crennel and Daboll now.

The Chiefs are better at WR now with Breaston but I'm not sold on Baldwin.

The Chiefs are better at RT but have a lot of young guys on the interior of the OL.

The defense is pretty much the same minus Carr...

I don't see a significant improvement. I see the same team.
I went through the roster of 2010 and the expected roster for 2012 and compared PFF ratings at positions where the players are changing, using last year's rating for the upcoming season. There are five positions where the Chiefs are improved a lot, and five where the 2010 Chiefs were better. 2 of the latter were rookies last year, so improvement is certainly possible.

Improved:
Richardson->Winston +21.2
Vrabel->Houston +14.1
Chambers->Breaston +10.2
Jones->Hillis +7.4
Pope->Boss +6.2

Degraded:
Carr->Routt -15.3
Gilberry->Bailey -7.6 (Rookie last year)
Edwards->Gordon -6.4 (I don't know who will be NT, but I wouldn't expect much more than average play there, at least for Poe's rookie season, and Gordon was almost exactly average last year)
Waters->Asamoah -6.2
Copper->Baldwin -5 (Rookie last year)

I think the Chiefs will be improved, especially on offense. I wouldn't be surprised if the D slips a little from 2010, both because of Routt and because Hali and Flowers put in ridiculous performances in 2010 that neither repeated in 2011. I don't know if they'll stay at their current level (which is still very good) or return to their absurdly good level of 2010.
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2010 Dorsey < 2012 Dorsey
2010 Jackson < 2012 Jackson
Shaun Smith ? Poe
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You guys aren't a better team than you were two years ago. You are pretty much the exact same team.

Denver OTOH has improved greatly on the OL, DL, CB, QB, TE, S, and RB spots.
Is it possible for this guy to say anything dumber (is that a word?)?
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I think the Chiefs will be improved, especially on offense. I wouldn't be surprised if the D slips a little from 2010, both because of Routt and because Hali and Flowers put in ridiculous performances in 2010 that neither repeated in 2011. I don't know if they'll stay at their current level (which is still very good) or return to their absurdly good level of 2010.
You have to account for facing a vastly increased level of competition, though.

This team, with our present starting QB, played 4 winning teams the last two years. And lost to nearly all of them?

We're in for a giant ****ing wake up call.
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