2012 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread

[alnorth]

2012 Slogan: Our Time

A better, more accurate 2012 Slogan: It is Finally Next Year
(from Great Expectations)

An alternative slogan if you don't like that one: Someone has to win this crappy division
(from alnorth)

With the beginning of a new year, it is time for the 2012 version of the Royals Repository Thread. We've got Hosmer, we've got a 2011-dominating Gordon, we've got Moose, we've got hopefully a killer bullpen, we've got a stereotypical slow slugging DH, we've got easily one of the best defensive shortstops in the AL, we've got a promising catcher in Salvador Perez. Hell, we've got offense and promising prospects galore.

We do not have starting pitching.

Oh yeah, we've also got this:



Get ready for, (as of January 2012 anyway), one of the most confusing puzzles of a baseball season in recent Royals history. Will they suck? Maybe, I don't know. Will we be given a year of 0.500 baseball? Possibly, I don't know. Will they win the division and go to the playoffs for the first time in 27 years? For the first time in a long time, it could happen, I don't know. 92 losses, 92 wins, or anything in between would not surprise a lot of us.

Everything goes here except Gameday threads and really big news. If a giant story breaks, the Royals achieve some awesome milestone, or we sign/lose a highly significant player/coach/mascot/whatever, then it might also deserve its own thread. This being Chiefs Planet, please do not clutter the board with new threads about trivial Royals news or you will only annoy those who come here for just Chiefs football. If you aren't sure and its not a Gameday thread, it goes here.

What sort of stuff often goes here? SPchief explained it well, so I'll just copy that:

If you locate something of interest.. ANYTHING.. deals on apparel, best ways in/out of the stadium, giveaways, great stories from this season or from seasons gone by, rumors, trades, anything.... feel free to post it here.

[KCUnited]

No, Our Time. /elbow surgeons

[tomahawk kid]

So - did he blow his elbow last night?

This is just freaking crazy.

[eazyb81]

OK, time to move forward......

Anyone interested in King Felix?

The Mariners in recent weeks touched base with the Cubs on shortstop Starlin Castro, asked the Royals about designated hitter Billy Butler, talked to other clubs about other hitters.

None of the talks progressed, according to major league sources. Virtually every team contacted the Cubs about Castro after a published report said he was available (he wasn’t). Butler, too, remains relatively untouchable (he’s under club-friendly salaries through 2015, and the Royals consider him a core piece.)

The point is not that a trade is about to happen; the Mariners just were doing their due diligence, conducting their normal pre-July business. No, the point is that the Mariners are in position to make a trade happen — if they choose.
……….

Let’s go back to the Royals. No, they couldn’t afford Hernandez’s contract. But they could send back Butler, get cash in the deal and include say, top outfield prospect Wil Myers and/or top pitching prospect Jake Odorizzi.

Think the Mariners wouldn’t be tempted by such an offer? Think the Royals wouldn’t want King Felix through 2014 at say, $12 million to $14 million per season, even for a steep acquisition price?

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/f...eficial-061912

Would anyone do this deal? If not this deal, what would you be willing to offer?

We have a surplus of minor league talent that we can leverage to acquire talent that would never sign with us in free agency.

I doubt I'd do Butler+Myers+Odorizzi for Felix, but I think that's a reasonable starting point to negotiate from.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Icwatudidthere



I am talking more or less about a guy like Kevin Millwood, for instance. The Mariners probably wouldn't be able to get anything better than a fringe prospect for him or a backup/possible starter type of player.

Would someone like Dyson or Bourgeois be up for trade for a guy like Millwood?

We specialize in trying to get the O'Sullivans of the world, so why not?

What we need to do, however, is trade real "pitching prospects" for a real ML arm.

[Chiefspants]

ACLs and UCLs, Kansas City's greatest enemies.

[DeezNutz]

Pitching is the currency of baseball, but we treat our ****ing farm system like a trust that can't be touched.

[jbwm89]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

OK, time to move forward......

Anyone interested in King Felix?



http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/f...eficial-061912

Would anyone do this deal? If not this deal, what would you be willing to offer?

We have a surplus of minor league talent that we can leverage to acquire talent that would never sign with us in free agency.

I doubt I'd do Butler+Myers+Odorizzi for Felix, but I think that's a reasonable starting point to negotiate from.

With Felix's numbers this year, drop in velocity, cost and length of contract remaining I really don't think we should give up those three pieces. Hell I may be an idiot but I wouldn't give up 2/3. One of those guys and some other solid prospects sounds better to me.

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by jbwm89

With Felix's numbers this year, drop in velocity, cost and length of contract remaining I really don't think we should give up those three pieces. Hell I may be an idiot but I wouldn't give up 2/3. One of those guys and some other solid prospects sounds better to me.

Felix is 26 years old. I think he still has many Cy Young-quality years ahead of him.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

Felix is 26 years old. I think he still has many Cy Young-quality years ahead of him.

Probably so. However, it would be asinine to weaken the immediate club by trading a premium, ML bat. Trade prospects.

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Probably so. However, it would be asinine to weaken the immediate club by trading a premium, ML bat. Trade prospects.

So would you keep Butler over Myers? Myers could be a premium MLB bat right now and would also provide value in the field.

Even at this best, Butler is still only a 2-3 WAR player due to not having any defensive value.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

So would you keep Butler over Myers? Myers could be a premium MLB bat right now and would also provide value in the field.

Even at this best, Butler is still only a 2-3 WAR player due to not having any defensive value.

I keep both and trade pitching prospects. I don't want to part with Odo, for example, but I would if it came nut cutting time.

While we hope that he has top-of-the-rotation stuff, we know that King Felix does.

Furthermore, I think that Starling could be a key cog in any package, and I'd gladly move this player for a solid return, and there was no one who wanted us to draft him more than me.

[SPATCH]

**** this season. stand pat.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by the_spatula

**** this season. stand pat.

Any moves this season would have to be done with an understanding that next year should be the time to go all in. If we're not seriously competing in 2013/2014, might as well give it up because it's just not going to happen.

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

if KC were to acquire a good pitcher, we would essentially be replacing Paulino. If we acquired another, we'd essentially be replacing Duffy... so we're back to square one at that point.. why give up prospects where even if we were to acquire 2 Major league ready starting pitchers, we'd still be short on starting pitching. Don't give up the future... cause in 2 more months this bullpen is going to start to break down and we'll be long out of the race. KC needs to add at the very least THREE Good Starting Pitchers to even think about contending - that ain't a happenin'.

[BigMeatballDave]

Why are we so ****ed as KC fans?

Shitty owners and GMs? Check.

Shitty pitchers and QBs? Check.

3 ACL and UCL tears? Check.