Chiefs Late night bullshit: The Alternate Route - Page 7

Direckshun · 04-09-2012, 06:31 PM

I know it's not a late night yet but whatever.

I think one of the things we picked up from the Bengals this past year is that if you don't have a "The Guy" for your chasm-wide QB hole in the first round, taking a second-rounder that you fully believe in can produce fairly successful results.

Say what you will, but right now Andy Dalton is riding a wave of goodwill. With a shit run game and only one receiver (two if you count Gresham), he put in a good season as The Guy.

He worked harder than everybody, proved to be smarter than all of his rookie QB colleagues, and hit the gym immediately to build and NFL body.

Now he heads into this season, with two first-rounders the Bengals could use to fortify his weaponry.

I think this has a valuable lesson: a second-rounder you fully believe in is usually as good as a first round prospect.

Don't take that the wrong way. Elite talent at the QB position is the way to go -- but spending that first rounder on a death plunge of a developmental QB is no better than spending it on a second-rounder you believe can win in this league, and fits every ounce of criteria that you love in a prospect.

Meanwhile, the Chiefs still need to fortify that defensive line once and for all. The quarterback and the defensive line must be settled for the next few years if the Chiefs are going to win in the postseason for years to come.

So, ladies and gentleman, I present to you: The Alternate Route.

Instead of investing everywhere but the QB in 2012, and hope we can get the QB we want in the QB-rich 1st round in 2013 (when we'll probably be drafting in the low- to mid-twenties), how about we take the current course of action:

2012 1st rounder: invest in Brockers, Still, and/or Cox, whichever five tech Pioli & company thinks is the best ten year starter.

2012 2nd rounder (or trade up to the bottom of the 1st if need be): QB Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State

I know we hate the idea of his age, blah blah. But he's a year younger than Cassel, and about as NFL ready as Cassel is. Let's take a guy who can ascend, go through progressions, have that killer instinct, have multiple-year experience as being The Guy in the locker room, with an incredible arm (best in the draft), and fearless in the face of the passrush.

Weeden has some footwork issues, but his throwing motion is flawless (former Yankees pitcher). He's also a team captain with "plus plus" intangibles. He out-dueled every single elite prospect this year: Luck, RG3, Tannehill. And he plays better when the stakes are high.

Best of all: he is an incredibly hard worker. Which will be needed if he wants to transition seamlessly to an NFL offense, and build an NFL frame (he's a light 6'4, 215 lbs).

2013 1st rounder: there will be three NTs with first round grades coming out in 2013.

Johnathon Hankins, Ohio State -- Absolute animal with some passrushing ability. Top 10 pick?
Star Lotulelei, Utah -- Very Chiefs-friendly. High character, popular with teammates, astronomical upside.
Kwame Geathers, Georgia -- Massive mountain of a man (6'6, 350 lbs), experience as 3-4 nose.

Ladies and gentleman:

QB and DL have been fixed in two years with minimal transition.

Weeden gives us his rookie contract and a short second contract while we continue to build for the future and continue taking stabs at QBs in future drafts.

Our DL is massive: Brockers/Lotulelei/Jackson. Powerful run stuffers across the board, with some shake and bake on passing downs with Bailey and Gilberry.

I can feel you all beaming with pride about how much you love this idea.

Let me shower in your praise.

I will accept the Key to ChiefsPlanet should you all feel so inclined.

OHHH OHHH

I forgot the best part: Drafting Weeden, with a perfect backup in Quinn already on hand, and a developmental guy in Stanzi..........

......allows us to cut Cassel. And invest fully in Weeden.

**007** · 04-09-2012, 10:17 PM

Hell, I don't care. Just give me something other than Cassel.

O.city · 04-09-2012, 10:17 PM

It's a little tougher with the 34 to rush the passer like the Gmen, but with that lineup you could get close.

O.city · 04-09-2012, 10:18 PM

QB: Cassel, Quinn, Stanzi
RB: Charles, Hillis, McCluster, Turbin
FB: Bannon

WR: Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, Copper, McCluster, Extra WR pick
TE: Moeaki, Boss, Maneri,

LT: Albert, Reynolds
LG: Hudson, Harris
C: Molk, Harris
RG: Asamoah, Harris
RT: Winston, Reynolds

DE: Dorsey, Bailey
NT: Chapman, Gordon, Powe
DE: Jackson, Gordon

OLB: Hali, Sheffield, Mercilus
ILB: Belcher, Siler
ILB: Johnson, Johnson, Audie Cole
OLB: Houston, Mercilus

CB: Flowers, Routt, Arenas, Brown, Daniels
S: Berry, Lewis, Smith, backup

I didn't know if you seen this Direkshun, but find me a hole on that roster. Outside of one obvious one of course.

I mean really, if you have that draft, what are you potentially looking for in the next 3 or 4 years?

**BossChief** · 04-09-2012, 10:19 PM

One of the best moves the Giants have made was drafting JPP when they already had Osi and Tuck.

Direckshun · 04-09-2012, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

QB: Cassel, Quinn, Stanzi
RB: Charles, Hillis, McCluster, Turbin
FB: Bannon

WR: Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, Copper, McCluster, Extra WR pick
TE: Moeaki, Boss, Maneri,

LT: Albert, Reynolds
LG: Hudson, Harris
C: Molk, Harris
RG: Asamoah, Harris
RT: Winston, Reynolds

DE: Dorsey, Bailey
NT: Chapman, Gordon, Powe
DE: Jackson, Gordon

OLB: Hali, Sheffield, Mercilus
ILB: Belcher, Siler
ILB: Johnson, Johnson, Audie Cole
OLB: Houston, Mercilus

CB: Flowers, Routt, Arenas, Brown, Daniels
S: Berry, Lewis, Smith, backup

I didn't know if you seen this Direkshun, but find me a whole on that roster. Outside of one obvious one of course.

Looks pretty good.

O.city · 04-09-2012, 10:22 PM

Question for you guys about Chapman.

Is he capable of pressing the pocket form the NT spot? He could actually be of some help in Sub package stuff if he coudl.

beach tribe · 04-09-2012, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

It's a little tougher with the 34 to rush the passer like the Gmen, but with that lineup you could get close.

In passing situations, we would be running a lot of the same packages.
I actually think it's easier to get to the Qb out of the 34 base package that the 4-3, talent being equal.

O.city · 04-09-2012, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe

In passing situations, we would be running a lot of the same packages.
I actually think it's easier to get to the Qb out of the 34 base package that the 4-3, talent being equal.

Yeah, we just really need Bailey and Jackson to get something up the middle. Gillberry included.

Sorter · 04-09-2012, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

Question for you guys about Chapman.

Is he capable of pressing the pocket form the NT spot? He could actually be of some help in Sub package stuff if he coudl.

He can a bit, but is more of a plugger; it would be ince to rotate either him/Jackson in to give Tamba or Bailey a breather while still having Mercilus and Houston rush on the edges.

Direckshun · 04-09-2012, 10:28 PM

Pressure can come from absolutely anywhere.

We can rush the front four and drop everybody else and be A-OK.

DJ can blitz.

Berry can blitz.

Arenas can blitz.

**** yes.

Sorter · 04-09-2012, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I'm in love with that Mercilus/Hali/Bailey/Houston rush on 3rd and long.

That's not the same devastating lineup the Giants have but it could sure get there, everybody feeding off everybody else.

And with that, to really screw with people, you could add Arenas off the edge and DJ or Belcher, and drop Tamba or Houston. We could Fire Zone the hell out of people or just use a 4 man rush dominate on passing downs.

**BossChief** · 04-09-2012, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

You're overplaying your hand when you say he looked like "shit period."

He looked streaky. Got better as the game went on, and won the game by going for the jugular.

Brandon Weeden comes out playing he's playing right now as a 24 year old?

He'd be a first round pick.

His age is the only thing bumping him down to the 2nd.

He will be a 30 year old rookie that should send half his NFL game checks to Blackmon IMO.

He is good, but not even close to first round good.

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

Question for you guys about Chapman.

Is he capable of pressing the pocket form the NT spot? He could actually be of

some help in Sub package stuff if he coudl.

He did just fine in the sec playing with a torn ACL.

Once fully healed he absolutely can get a good push...as can Powe.

People often wright Powe and Stanzi off and I think those two are gonna be quality players for us.

Direckshun · 04-09-2012, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

He will be a 30 year old rookie that should send half his NFL game checks to Blackmon IMO.

He is good, but not even close to first round good.

Well, sadly we don't have any larger ultra-athletic receivers with great hands.

Or, I don't know, three.

beach tribe · 04-09-2012, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

You're overplaying your hand when you say he looked like "shit period."

He looked streaky. Got better as the game went on, and won the game by going for the jugular.

Brandon Weeden comes out playing he's playing right now as a 24 year old?

He'd be a first round pick.

His age is the only thing bumping him down to the 2nd.

I honestly don't think anyone is going to spend a 2nd on him, no matter where he's projected. JMO though.

Direckshun · 04-09-2012, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Pressure can come from absolutely anywhere.

We can rush the front four and drop everybody else and be A-OK.

DJ can blitz.

Berry can blitz.

Arenas can blitz.

**** yes.

I need somebody else in this thread to tell me this gives them wood.

04-09-2012, 06:31 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2143447	Late night bullshit: The Alternate Route I know it's not a late night yet but whatever. I think one of the things we picked up from the Bengals this past year is that if you don't have a "The Guy" for your chasm-wide QB hole in the first round, taking a second-rounder that you fully believe in can produce fairly successful results. Say what you will, but right now Andy Dalton is riding a wave of goodwill. With a shit run game and only one receiver (two if you count Gresham), he put in a good season as The Guy. He worked harder than everybody, proved to be smarter than all of his rookie QB colleagues, and hit the gym immediately to build and NFL body. Now he heads into this season, with two first-rounders the Bengals could use to fortify his weaponry. I think this has a valuable lesson: a second-rounder you fully believe in is usually as good as a first round prospect. Don't take that the wrong way. Elite talent at the QB position is the way to go -- but spending that first rounder on a death plunge of a developmental QB is no better than spending it on a second-rounder you believe can win in this league, and fits every ounce of criteria that you love in a prospect. Meanwhile, the Chiefs still need to fortify that defensive line once and for all. The quarterback and the defensive line must be settled for the next few years if the Chiefs are going to win in the postseason for years to come. So, ladies and gentleman, I present to you: The Alternate Route. Instead of investing everywhere but the QB in 2012, and hope we can get the QB we want in the QB-rich 1st round in 2013 (when we'll probably be drafting in the low- to mid-twenties), how about we take the current course of action: 2012 1st rounder: invest in Brockers, Still, and/or Cox, whichever five tech Pioli & company thinks is the best ten year starter. 2012 2nd rounder (or trade up to the bottom of the 1st if need be): QB Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State I know we hate the idea of his age, blah blah. But he's a year younger than Cassel, and about as NFL ready as Cassel is. Let's take a guy who can ascend, go through progressions, have that killer instinct, have multiple-year experience as being The Guy in the locker room, with an incredible arm (best in the draft), and fearless in the face of the passrush. Weeden has some footwork issues, but his throwing motion is flawless (former Yankees pitcher). He's also a team captain with "plus plus" intangibles. He out-dueled every single elite prospect this year: Luck, RG3, Tannehill. And he plays better when the stakes are high. Best of all: he is an incredibly hard worker. Which will be needed if he wants to transition seamlessly to an NFL offense, and build an NFL frame (he's a light 6'4, 215 lbs). 2013 1st rounder: there will be three NTs with first round grades coming out in 2013. Johnathon Hankins, Ohio State -- Absolute animal with some passrushing ability. Top 10 pick? Star Lotulelei, Utah -- Very Chiefs-friendly. High character, popular with teammates, astronomical upside. Kwame Geathers, Georgia -- Massive mountain of a man (6'6, 350 lbs), experience as 3-4 nose. Ladies and gentleman: QB and DL have been fixed in two years with minimal transition. Weeden gives us his rookie contract and a short second contract while we continue to build for the future and continue taking stabs at QBs in future drafts. Our DL is massive: Brockers/Lotulelei/Jackson. Powerful run stuffers across the board, with some shake and bake on passing downs with Bailey and Gilberry. I can feel you all beaming with pride about how much you love this idea. Let me shower in your praise. I will accept the Key to ChiefsPlanet should you all feel so inclined. OHHH OHHH I forgot the best part: Drafting Weeden, with a perfect backup in Quinn already on hand, and a developmental guy in Stanzi.......... ......allows us to cut Cassel. And invest fully in Weeden.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-515936	QB: Cassel, Quinn, Stanzi RB: Charles, Hillis, McCluster, Turbin FB: Bannon WR: Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, Copper, McCluster, Extra WR pick TE: Moeaki, Boss, Maneri, LT: Albert, Reynolds LG: Hudson, Harris C: Molk, Harris RG: Asamoah, Harris RT: Winston, Reynolds DE: Dorsey, Bailey NT: Chapman, Gordon, Powe DE: Jackson, Gordon OLB: Hali, Sheffield, Mercilus ILB: Belcher, Siler ILB: Johnson, Johnson, Audie Cole OLB: Houston, Mercilus CB: Flowers, Routt, Arenas, Brown, Daniels S: Berry, Lewis, Smith, backup I didn't know if you seen this Direkshun, but find me a hole on that roster. Outside of one obvious one of course. I mean really, if you have that draft, what are you potentially looking for in the next 3 or 4 years? Last edited by O.city; 04-09-2012 at 10:24 PM..
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04-09-2012, 10:28 PM	#100
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2143447	Pressure can come from absolutely anywhere. We can rush the front four and drop everybody else and be A-OK. DJ can blitz. Berry can blitz. Arenas can blitz. **** yes.
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