Chiefs Late night bullshit: The Alternate Route - Page 6

Direckshun · 04-09-2012, 06:31 PM

I know it's not a late night yet but whatever.

I think one of the things we picked up from the Bengals this past year is that if you don't have a "The Guy" for your chasm-wide QB hole in the first round, taking a second-rounder that you fully believe in can produce fairly successful results.

Say what you will, but right now Andy Dalton is riding a wave of goodwill. With a shit run game and only one receiver (two if you count Gresham), he put in a good season as The Guy.

He worked harder than everybody, proved to be smarter than all of his rookie QB colleagues, and hit the gym immediately to build and NFL body.

Now he heads into this season, with two first-rounders the Bengals could use to fortify his weaponry.

I think this has a valuable lesson: a second-rounder you fully believe in is usually as good as a first round prospect.

Don't take that the wrong way. Elite talent at the QB position is the way to go -- but spending that first rounder on a death plunge of a developmental QB is no better than spending it on a second-rounder you believe can win in this league, and fits every ounce of criteria that you love in a prospect.

Meanwhile, the Chiefs still need to fortify that defensive line once and for all. The quarterback and the defensive line must be settled for the next few years if the Chiefs are going to win in the postseason for years to come.

So, ladies and gentleman, I present to you: The Alternate Route.

Instead of investing everywhere but the QB in 2012, and hope we can get the QB we want in the QB-rich 1st round in 2013 (when we'll probably be drafting in the low- to mid-twenties), how about we take the current course of action:

2012 1st rounder: invest in Brockers, Still, and/or Cox, whichever five tech Pioli & company thinks is the best ten year starter.

2012 2nd rounder (or trade up to the bottom of the 1st if need be): QB Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State

I know we hate the idea of his age, blah blah. But he's a year younger than Cassel, and about as NFL ready as Cassel is. Let's take a guy who can ascend, go through progressions, have that killer instinct, have multiple-year experience as being The Guy in the locker room, with an incredible arm (best in the draft), and fearless in the face of the passrush.

Weeden has some footwork issues, but his throwing motion is flawless (former Yankees pitcher). He's also a team captain with "plus plus" intangibles. He out-dueled every single elite prospect this year: Luck, RG3, Tannehill. And he plays better when the stakes are high.

Best of all: he is an incredibly hard worker. Which will be needed if he wants to transition seamlessly to an NFL offense, and build an NFL frame (he's a light 6'4, 215 lbs).

2013 1st rounder: there will be three NTs with first round grades coming out in 2013.

Johnathon Hankins, Ohio State -- Absolute animal with some passrushing ability. Top 10 pick?
Star Lotulelei, Utah -- Very Chiefs-friendly. High character, popular with teammates, astronomical upside.
Kwame Geathers, Georgia -- Massive mountain of a man (6'6, 350 lbs), experience as 3-4 nose.

Ladies and gentleman:

QB and DL have been fixed in two years with minimal transition.

Weeden gives us his rookie contract and a short second contract while we continue to build for the future and continue taking stabs at QBs in future drafts.

Our DL is massive: Brockers/Lotulelei/Jackson. Powerful run stuffers across the board, with some shake and bake on passing downs with Bailey and Gilberry.

I can feel you all beaming with pride about how much you love this idea.

Let me shower in your praise.

I will accept the Key to ChiefsPlanet should you all feel so inclined.

OHHH OHHH

I forgot the best part: Drafting Weeden, with a perfect backup in Quinn already on hand, and a developmental guy in Stanzi..........

......allows us to cut Cassel. And invest fully in Weeden.

O.city · 04-09-2012, 10:01 PM

I don't think I've ever been as pumped over signing a RT.

Winston is a great team guy, he's a monster zone blocker at RT, and he's got a nasty streak.

It was a great get for KC.

O.city · 04-09-2012, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

Tannehill
Richardson
Barron
Mercilus/Upshaw/other talented pass rusher

Decastro
Brockers
Keuchly

That's in order, too.

I'm about the same, save for Barron.

I like Illoka or Harrison smith a little later.

I'm really coming around to the idea of Mercilus. I think he could be really really special as a rusher and OLB guy.

O.city · 04-09-2012, 10:03 PM

I'll do it for the Direkshun. Let me find one of your patented roster things.

QB: Cassel, Quinn, Stanzi
RB: Charles, Hillis, McCluster, Turbin
FB: Bannon

WR: Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, Copper, McCluster, Extra WR pick
TE: Moeaki, Boss, Maneri,

LT: Albert, Reynolds
LG: Hudson, Harris
C: Molk, Harris
RG: Asamoah, Harris
RT: Winston, Reynolds

DE: Dorsey, Bailey
NT: Chapman, Gordon, Powe
DE: Jackson, Gordon

OLB: Hali, Sheffield, Mercilus
ILB: Belcher, Siler
ILB: Johnson, Johnson, Audie Cole
OLB: Houston, Mercilus

CB: Flowers, Routt, Arenas, Brown, Daniels
S: Berry, Lewis, Smith, backup

Romeo has ALOT ALOT of places he could bring pass rushers from. We probably need to grab some more dlinemen somewhere, but that can wait.

Sorter · 04-09-2012, 10:04 PM

If we drafted Mercilus, could we move Tamba inside on passing downs in our nickel like the Giants do with Tuck? I know they aren't the same size, but if we could have Mercilus, Tamba,Bailey, and Houston all rushing with 7 in coverage, it could be nasty.

beach tribe · 04-09-2012, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

OSU's defense played lights out.

Stanford's defense played like dogshit.

And they allowed the exact same point total from equally devastating offenses over the course of a game.

Nice spin, there.

The truth is, Weeden outdueled Luck is a shootout.

Luck couldn't get his team into the endzone in overtime.

All Weeden had to do was get his offense to settle for a field goal.

Instead, he went for the jugular. Hit a slant over the middle in 1 play, and won the game.

He did shit like that all year.

When you spin that radically, all you're doing is making yourself look partisan.

Thanks for the nice word, though.

Dude I posted a clip of every throw he made. He looked like SHIT period.
OSU won the game.
You're Stacking Weeden up against Luck (and he does NOT stack up), Suggesting we trade into the !st, and take his 30 year old ass, and i'm the one who looks foolish here?
Like i said. I respect your takes, and enjoy your posts, but your dead wrong in your opinion of this guy

Direckshun · 04-09-2012, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

Harrison Smith.

I don't think he makes it that far, but if he did. LOOKOUT.

AH.

Got it.

I would have done it but you're on top of it, from the sounds of it.

**BossChief** · 04-09-2012, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter

If we drafted Mercilus, could we move Tamba inside on passing downs in our nickel like the Giants do with Tuck? I know they aren't the same size, but if we could have Mercilus, Tamba,Bailey, and Houston all rushing with 7 in coverage, it could be nasty.

That's what Tamba did at Penn state.

In fact, he was a defensive tackle till his last year iirc.

Direckshun · 04-09-2012, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe

Dude I posted a clip of every throw he made. He looked like SHIT period.
OSU won the game.
You're Stacking Weeden up against Luck (and he does NOT stack up), Suggesting we trade into the !st, and take his 30 year old ass, and i'm the one who looks foolish here?
Like i said. I respect your takes, and enjoy your posts, but your dead wrong in your opinion of this guy

You're overplaying your hand when you say he looked like "shit period."

He looked streaky. Got better as the game went on, and won the game by going for the jugular.

Brandon Weeden comes out playing he's playing right now as a 24 year old?

He'd be a first round pick.

His age is the only thing bumping him down to the 2nd.

O.city · 04-09-2012, 10:10 PM

When you play the Mannings, Rivers, Brees etc, you could have Mercilus, Tamba, Houston, just standing up walking around the LOS pre snap.

Have Bailey with a hand in the dirt, Jackson as well.

Could bring Berry and drop Houston, or bring Arenas. Lots of options.

Direckshun · 04-09-2012, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter

If we drafted Mercilus, could we move Tamba inside on passing downs in our nickel like the Giants do with Tuck? I know they aren't the same size, but if we could have Mercilus, Tamba,Bailey, and Houston all rushing with 7 in coverage, it could be nasty.

God yes.

beach tribe · 04-09-2012, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe

Dude I posted a clip of every throw he made. He looked like SHIT period.
OSU won the game.
You're Stacking Weeden up against Luck (and he does NOT stack up), Suggesting we trade into the !st, and take his 30 year old ass, and i'm the one who looks foolish here?
Like i said. I respect your takes, and enjoy your posts, but your dead wrong in your opinion of this guy

Meant to say partisan here and not foolish. I promise you, I'm only going by all the tape I could find on the guy. I have no inclination one way or the other. He honestly just looks like another cassel who rode 10 yard passes to Blackmon (that Blackmon Beasted to the house) to a successful collegiate career.

O.city · 04-09-2012, 10:12 PM

Pretty sure we are bringing in Abrayu after the draft so add him to the list.

Actually makes sense. Not gonna play many snaps. Just in run situations.

O.city · 04-09-2012, 10:14 PM

You can take Bruce Irvin later in the draft to rush but I don't think he has the upside Mercilus does.

beach tribe · 04-09-2012, 10:14 PM

I have a feeling Bailey is about to explode onto the scene.

Direckshun · 04-09-2012, 10:16 PM

I'm in love with that Mercilus/Hali/Bailey/Houston rush on 3rd and long.

That's not the same devastating lineup the Giants have but it could sure get there, everybody feeding off everybody else.

04-09-2012, 06:31 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2143447	Late night bullshit: The Alternate Route I know it's not a late night yet but whatever. I think one of the things we picked up from the Bengals this past year is that if you don't have a "The Guy" for your chasm-wide QB hole in the first round, taking a second-rounder that you fully believe in can produce fairly successful results. Say what you will, but right now Andy Dalton is riding a wave of goodwill. With a shit run game and only one receiver (two if you count Gresham), he put in a good season as The Guy. He worked harder than everybody, proved to be smarter than all of his rookie QB colleagues, and hit the gym immediately to build and NFL body. Now he heads into this season, with two first-rounders the Bengals could use to fortify his weaponry. I think this has a valuable lesson: a second-rounder you fully believe in is usually as good as a first round prospect. Don't take that the wrong way. Elite talent at the QB position is the way to go -- but spending that first rounder on a death plunge of a developmental QB is no better than spending it on a second-rounder you believe can win in this league, and fits every ounce of criteria that you love in a prospect. Meanwhile, the Chiefs still need to fortify that defensive line once and for all. The quarterback and the defensive line must be settled for the next few years if the Chiefs are going to win in the postseason for years to come. So, ladies and gentleman, I present to you: The Alternate Route. Instead of investing everywhere but the QB in 2012, and hope we can get the QB we want in the QB-rich 1st round in 2013 (when we'll probably be drafting in the low- to mid-twenties), how about we take the current course of action: 2012 1st rounder: invest in Brockers, Still, and/or Cox, whichever five tech Pioli & company thinks is the best ten year starter. 2012 2nd rounder (or trade up to the bottom of the 1st if need be): QB Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State I know we hate the idea of his age, blah blah. But he's a year younger than Cassel, and about as NFL ready as Cassel is. Let's take a guy who can ascend, go through progressions, have that killer instinct, have multiple-year experience as being The Guy in the locker room, with an incredible arm (best in the draft), and fearless in the face of the passrush. Weeden has some footwork issues, but his throwing motion is flawless (former Yankees pitcher). He's also a team captain with "plus plus" intangibles. He out-dueled every single elite prospect this year: Luck, RG3, Tannehill. And he plays better when the stakes are high. Best of all: he is an incredibly hard worker. Which will be needed if he wants to transition seamlessly to an NFL offense, and build an NFL frame (he's a light 6'4, 215 lbs). 2013 1st rounder: there will be three NTs with first round grades coming out in 2013. Johnathon Hankins, Ohio State -- Absolute animal with some passrushing ability. Top 10 pick? Star Lotulelei, Utah -- Very Chiefs-friendly. High character, popular with teammates, astronomical upside. Kwame Geathers, Georgia -- Massive mountain of a man (6'6, 350 lbs), experience as 3-4 nose. Ladies and gentleman: QB and DL have been fixed in two years with minimal transition. Weeden gives us his rookie contract and a short second contract while we continue to build for the future and continue taking stabs at QBs in future drafts. Our DL is massive: Brockers/Lotulelei/Jackson. Powerful run stuffers across the board, with some shake and bake on passing downs with Bailey and Gilberry. I can feel you all beaming with pride about how much you love this idea. Let me shower in your praise. I will accept the Key to ChiefsPlanet should you all feel so inclined. OHHH OHHH I forgot the best part: Drafting Weeden, with a perfect backup in Quinn already on hand, and a developmental guy in Stanzi.......... ......allows us to cut Cassel. And invest fully in Weeden.
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04-09-2012, 10:01 PM	#76
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-515936	I don't think I've ever been as pumped over signing a RT. Winston is a great team guy, he's a monster zone blocker at RT, and he's got a nasty streak. It was a great get for KC.
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04-09-2012, 10:03 PM	#78
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-515936	I'll do it for the Direkshun. Let me find one of your patented roster things. QB: Cassel, Quinn, Stanzi RB: Charles, Hillis, McCluster, Turbin FB: Bannon WR: Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, Copper, McCluster, Extra WR pick TE: Moeaki, Boss, Maneri, LT: Albert, Reynolds LG: Hudson, Harris C: Molk, Harris RG: Asamoah, Harris RT: Winston, Reynolds DE: Dorsey, Bailey NT: Chapman, Gordon, Powe DE: Jackson, Gordon OLB: Hali, Sheffield, Mercilus ILB: Belcher, Siler ILB: Johnson, Johnson, Audie Cole OLB: Houston, Mercilus CB: Flowers, Routt, Arenas, Brown, Daniels S: Berry, Lewis, Smith, backup Romeo has ALOT ALOT of places he could bring pass rushers from. We probably need to grab some more dlinemen somewhere, but that can wait.
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04-09-2012, 10:04 PM	#79
Sorter Caralho Join Date: Sep 2011 Casino cash: $9611474	If we drafted Mercilus, could we move Tamba inside on passing downs in our nickel like the Giants do with Tuck? I know they aren't the same size, but if we could have Mercilus, Tamba,Bailey, and Houston all rushing with 7 in coverage, it could be nasty.
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04-09-2012, 10:10 PM	#84
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-515936	When you play the Mannings, Rivers, Brees etc, you could have Mercilus, Tamba, Houston, just standing up walking around the LOS pre snap. Have Bailey with a hand in the dirt, Jackson as well. Could bring Berry and drop Houston, or bring Arenas. Lots of options.
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04-09-2012, 10:12 PM	#87
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-515936	Pretty sure we are bringing in Abrayu after the draft so add him to the list. Actually makes sense. Not gonna play many snaps. Just in run situations.
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04-09-2012, 10:14 PM	#88
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-515936	You can take Bruce Irvin later in the draft to rush but I don't think he has the upside Mercilus does.
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04-09-2012, 10:14 PM	#89
beach tribe Keep doubting J MFing Houston Join Date: May 2007 Location: ft.lauderdale Casino cash: $4018036	I have a feeling Bailey is about to explode onto the scene.
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04-09-2012, 10:16 PM	#90
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2143447	I'm in love with that Mercilus/Hali/Bailey/Houston rush on 3rd and long. That's not the same devastating lineup the Giants have but it could sure get there, everybody feeding off everybody else.
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