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Old 04-09-2012, 06:31 PM  
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Late night bullshit: The Alternate Route
I know it's not a late night yet but whatever.

I think one of the things we picked up from the Bengals this past year is that if you don't have a "The Guy" for your chasm-wide QB hole in the first round, taking a second-rounder that you fully believe in can produce fairly successful results.

Say what you will, but right now Andy Dalton is riding a wave of goodwill. With a shit run game and only one receiver (two if you count Gresham), he put in a good season as The Guy.

He worked harder than everybody, proved to be smarter than all of his rookie QB colleagues, and hit the gym immediately to build and NFL body.

Now he heads into this season, with two first-rounders the Bengals could use to fortify his weaponry.

I think this has a valuable lesson: a second-rounder you fully believe in is usually as good as a first round prospect.

Don't take that the wrong way. Elite talent at the QB position is the way to go -- but spending that first rounder on a death plunge of a developmental QB is no better than spending it on a second-rounder you believe can win in this league, and fits every ounce of criteria that you love in a prospect.

Meanwhile, the Chiefs still need to fortify that defensive line once and for all. The quarterback and the defensive line must be settled for the next few years if the Chiefs are going to win in the postseason for years to come.

So, ladies and gentleman, I present to you: The Alternate Route.

Instead of investing everywhere but the QB in 2012, and hope we can get the QB we want in the QB-rich 1st round in 2013 (when we'll probably be drafting in the low- to mid-twenties), how about we take the current course of action:

2012 1st rounder: invest in Brockers, Still, and/or Cox, whichever five tech Pioli & company thinks is the best ten year starter.

2012 2nd rounder (or trade up to the bottom of the 1st if need be): QB Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State

I know we hate the idea of his age, blah blah. But he's a year younger than Cassel, and about as NFL ready as Cassel is. Let's take a guy who can ascend, go through progressions, have that killer instinct, have multiple-year experience as being The Guy in the locker room, with an incredible arm (best in the draft), and fearless in the face of the passrush.

Weeden has some footwork issues, but his throwing motion is flawless (former Yankees pitcher). He's also a team captain with "plus plus" intangibles. He out-dueled every single elite prospect this year: Luck, RG3, Tannehill. And he plays better when the stakes are high.

Best of all: he is an incredibly hard worker. Which will be needed if he wants to transition seamlessly to an NFL offense, and build an NFL frame (he's a light 6'4, 215 lbs).

2013 1st rounder: there will be three NTs with first round grades coming out in 2013.

Johnathon Hankins, Ohio State -- Absolute animal with some passrushing ability. Top 10 pick?
Star Lotulelei, Utah -- Very Chiefs-friendly. High character, popular with teammates, astronomical upside.
Kwame Geathers, Georgia -- Massive mountain of a man (6'6, 350 lbs), experience as 3-4 nose.

Ladies and gentleman:

QB and DL have been fixed in two years with minimal transition.

Weeden gives us his rookie contract and a short second contract while we continue to build for the future and continue taking stabs at QBs in future drafts.

Our DL is massive: Brockers/Lotulelei/Jackson. Powerful run stuffers across the board, with some shake and bake on passing downs with Bailey and Gilberry.

I can feel you all beaming with pride about how much you love this idea.

Let me shower in your praise.

I will accept the Key to ChiefsPlanet should you all feel so inclined.

OHHH OHHH

I forgot the best part: Drafting Weeden, with a perfect backup in Quinn already on hand, and a developmental guy in Stanzi..........





















......allows us to cut Cassel. And invest fully in Weeden.
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Old 04-09-2012, 09:48 PM   #61
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Taking Brockers at 11 and then spending two seconds and a third to move up for a 30 year old rookie would be WAYYYY past full reerun.

Sorry

I wouldn't even draft Weeden unless he falls to the 4th round.

Take Blackmon off his team and the guy struggles to get drafted.
That's my take on the guy. I've really examined him, and I would take Cassel over him 10 times out of 10.
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Old 04-09-2012, 09:48 PM   #62
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This, especially the bolded part is a really good take.


Get your depth, take Kuechly, get your center for 10 years, get safety depth, whatever you need this year.


Trading back and grabbing a first round pick would be huge for the Chiefs.
My dream scenario. Going into next year's draft with 2 1sts.
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Old 04-09-2012, 09:49 PM   #63
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I swear, it's funny watching you all scatter for information, just like a secretary meeting deadlines, all damned off-season.

We all are excited like a month prior to kick-off, weeks pass really slowly, more and more anticipation builds across CP, then once kick-off comes, we're down by ten within 4 minutes, or so. Happens every damned season, it seems. with the MNF Chargers Kickoff game the only exception....
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Old 04-09-2012, 09:52 PM   #64
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Probably not out of the gate, but he is also what 21? He has the possibility to grow into his body and be a Seymour type 5 tech. Or atleast thats what you would hope.



Again, I'm not excited about taking him but if the shoe fits.
^^This. Brockers/Decastro are the best picks available at 11 for value, meaning you won't be able to get either if you trade down. Brockers and Bailey are different players, wit Brockers being a true 5-tech that can also rush the passer. Bailey is probably best used as just a pure pass rush specialist in our sub packages. However, with Brockers, you could put him in your nickel 2-4-5 next to Bailey, Tamba, and Houston; having all rush the passer while still being able to drop 7 into coverage. Brockers seems like a 3 or 4 down player to me.
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Old 04-09-2012, 09:52 PM   #65
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so how much of a badass is Winston? I really know nothing about him. He sounds like Andre the Giant when he speaks, so I guess that's a pretty good sign.
feel free to answer the quoted question, pros. TIA
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Old 04-09-2012, 09:53 PM   #66
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I hope he doesn't get the big head for this, but if you guys wanna venture into the draft forum, Sac mocked a draft that would be pretty perfect for the Chiefs this year. It's not overly flashy and there are a few changes that could be made, but it's pretty solid.



Shun, put your roster magic on and add these picks to the team chart.
Say we can move back a touch and grab an extra 3 rounder.

Mercilus
Smith
Turbin
Chapman
Molk
Reynolds
Audie Cole ILB
Kashif Moore WR
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Old 04-09-2012, 09:54 PM   #67
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For those who didn't see it. Stanford's D played like dog shit, Balckmon was Blackmon, OSU D played lights out, and Weeden didn't make one throw worth highlighting to win the game.

It's pretty much all right here, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
I like your takes D, but Without Blackmon, and that D, Weeden beats NONE of the QBs you mentioned.
OSU's defense played lights out.

Stanford's defense played like dogshit.

And they allowed the exact same point total from equally devastating offenses over the course of a game.

Nice spin, there.

The truth is, Weeden outdueled Luck is a shootout.

Luck couldn't get his team into the endzone in overtime.

All Weeden had to do was get his offense to settle for a field goal.

Instead, he went for the jugular. Hit a slant over the middle in 1 play, and won the game.

He did shit like that all year.

When you spin that radically, all you're doing is making yourself look partisan.

Thanks for the nice word, though.
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Winston could be the best RT in the league. He's atleast a top 4 or 5 guy at his spot.


It was a great great deal for the Chiefs.
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Winston is a badass. One of the top 5 RTs IMO. It is unbelievable we got him so cheap, regardless of his former injury.
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The Redskins pretty much sold the farm to acquire RGIII. There's absolutely no reason why we shouldn't do the same next year since the talent we could surround our young QB with is far superior to anything the Redskins have.
Because other teams will be doing the same thing.

And I don't want to give up three 1sts unless he's a homerun -- which I'm still not convinced RG3 is.
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It sucks to be the "wait til next year" guy.


I don't really think we would have to get to 2 next eyar to get a blue chipper either.


I'm really hoping Tyler Wilson improves some mechanical issues. He has a cannon and could be our guy.
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Shun, put your roster magic on and add these picks to the team chart.
Say we can move back a touch and grab an extra 3 rounder.

Mercilus
Smith
Turbin
Chapman
Molk
Reynolds
Audie Cole ILB
Kashif Moore WR
I don't know who Smith is? Drawing a really dumb blank...
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I don't know who Smith is? Drawing a really dumb blank...
Harrison Smith.


I don't think he makes it that far, but if he did. LOOKOUT.
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He's a freakin animal
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Tannehill
Richardson
Barron
Mercilus/Upshaw/other talented pass rusher

Decastro
Brockers
Keuchly

That's in order, too.
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