Late night bullshit: The Alternate Route

[Direckshun]

I know it's not a late night yet but whatever.

I think one of the things we picked up from the Bengals this past year is that if you don't have a "The Guy" for your chasm-wide QB hole in the first round, taking a second-rounder that you fully believe in can produce fairly successful results.

Say what you will, but right now Andy Dalton is riding a wave of goodwill. With a shit run game and only one receiver (two if you count Gresham), he put in a good season as The Guy.

He worked harder than everybody, proved to be smarter than all of his rookie QB colleagues, and hit the gym immediately to build and NFL body.

Now he heads into this season, with two first-rounders the Bengals could use to fortify his weaponry.

I think this has a valuable lesson: a second-rounder you fully believe in is usually as good as a first round prospect.

Don't take that the wrong way. Elite talent at the QB position is the way to go -- but spending that first rounder on a death plunge of a developmental QB is no better than spending it on a second-rounder you believe can win in this league, and fits every ounce of criteria that you love in a prospect.

Meanwhile, the Chiefs still need to fortify that defensive line once and for all. The quarterback and the defensive line must be settled for the next few years if the Chiefs are going to win in the postseason for years to come.

So, ladies and gentleman, I present to you: The Alternate Route.

Instead of investing everywhere but the QB in 2012, and hope we can get the QB we want in the QB-rich 1st round in 2013 (when we'll probably be drafting in the low- to mid-twenties), how about we take the current course of action:

2012 1st rounder: invest in Brockers, Still, and/or Cox, whichever five tech Pioli & company thinks is the best ten year starter.

2012 2nd rounder (or trade up to the bottom of the 1st if need be): QB Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State

I know we hate the idea of his age, blah blah. But he's a year younger than Cassel, and about as NFL ready as Cassel is. Let's take a guy who can ascend, go through progressions, have that killer instinct, have multiple-year experience as being The Guy in the locker room, with an incredible arm (best in the draft), and fearless in the face of the passrush.

Weeden has some footwork issues, but his throwing motion is flawless (former Yankees pitcher). He's also a team captain with "plus plus" intangibles. He out-dueled every single elite prospect this year: Luck, RG3, Tannehill. And he plays better when the stakes are high.

Best of all: he is an incredibly hard worker. Which will be needed if he wants to transition seamlessly to an NFL offense, and build an NFL frame (he's a light 6'4, 215 lbs).

2013 1st rounder: there will be three NTs with first round grades coming out in 2013.

Johnathon Hankins, Ohio State -- Absolute animal with some passrushing ability. Top 10 pick?
Star Lotulelei, Utah -- Very Chiefs-friendly. High character, popular with teammates, astronomical upside.
Kwame Geathers, Georgia -- Massive mountain of a man (6'6, 350 lbs), experience as 3-4 nose.

Ladies and gentleman:

QB and DL have been fixed in two years with minimal transition.

Weeden gives us his rookie contract and a short second contract while we continue to build for the future and continue taking stabs at QBs in future drafts.

Our DL is massive: Brockers/Lotulelei/Jackson. Powerful run stuffers across the board, with some shake and bake on passing downs with Bailey and Gilberry.

I can feel you all beaming with pride about how much you love this idea.

Let me shower in your praise.

I will accept the Key to ChiefsPlanet should you all feel so inclined.

OHHH OHHH

I forgot the best part: Drafting Weeden, with a perfect backup in Quinn already on hand, and a developmental guy in Stanzi..........





















......allows us to cut Cassel. And invest fully in Weeden.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I know you're just being a smartass.

I'm not.

Crack open "The Patriot Way," and read about QBs.

Hard-working, chip-on-the-shoulder-attitude, intense training guys who played college football for at least three years, set a good example in the locker room, and come into the league with well-developed mechanics. Not a qualifier, but it helps if they came from a school that runs a pro offense.

Weeden's got all those things. So does Kirk Cousins.

As did Ricky Stanzi.

What does Weeden have that the other two don't besides a busy calendar full of extra sessions with the QBs coach/offensive assistants?

[O.city]

Weeden came from the spread, which I don't really mind. He also had an all world offense around him. Again don't really mind that.


The age thing gets me a little. I seem to remember that Weeden really struggled at the senior bowl.

[O.city]

Direkshun, what are your thoughts on Osweiler?


I've watched alot of his stuff today after watching him on Grudens little talk thing. I am somewhat intrigued by the guy.

[Hoover]

My problem is that I'm not sold on the DL talent at 11.

If we could trade down, I'd be up for anything.

That said, I'm with you on Weeden. I like his arm, I like his maturity, and I love that he is a gamer. I'd lose no sleep with selecting him in the 2nd round.

I know we need to address the DLine, but I'd rather grab Luke Kuechly at 11 and then grab Weeden.

[Simply Red]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I would say that's wrong, but I'm a Weeden homer.

First round talent, sucky age.

me too! OMG - totally a weed homer.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I would say that's wrong, but I'm a Weeden homer.

First round talent, sucky age.

Would you go kiss Carrie Fisher right now?

She's first round talent and sucky age, too.

[Simply Red]

[RealSNR]

Simply Red is Chiefs Planet's own version of Pina Bausch.

And I mean that in a good way.

[Simply Red]

This isn't about me, & I don't know much about her, but this is about your kicking Shun ass! that guy tried to neg me and accidently posi'd me! He's been acting like a real pud lately.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Simply Red

This isn't about me, & I don't know much about her, but this is about your kicking Shun ass! that guy tried to neg me and accidently posi'd me! He's been acting like a real pud lately.

I out-drafted him in the CP Mock Draft, too.

I got your back, bree.

[Wallcrawler]

Id like to see what Stanzi can do, considering we never gave him a chance last year. I dont really have a lot of faith in our coaching staff offensively though. Zorn is about the only one with a clue, but he can only do so much.

Crenell and Daboll, those guys collaborated before when Romeo's first tenure as a head coach ended in disaster.

I wanted a nose tackle to shore up that DL once and for all, but it looks like the better choice is to go after someone like Keeklee. Cant spell dude's name, but thats how you say it.

I wouldnt be averse to drafting Decastro at 11 either. Sure, its high to take a guard there, but if he's as good as theyre saying it would be pretty dumb to pass on that kind of talent, especially when it could turn our once laughable O-line into a freaking meat fortress with the addition of DeCastro and Winston.

Thats hard for me to pass up. I remember the 90's when the Chiefs had the best o-line in football. It got taken for granted by me, thats for sure.

[O.city]

One could argue that if you wanna give Stanzi a chance this year, load up on oline and offensive weapons.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by SNR

Hard-working, chip-on-the-shoulder-attitude, intense training guys who played college football for at least three years, set a good example in the locker room, and come into the league with well-developed mechanics. Not a qualifier, but it helps if they came from a school that runs a pro offense.

Weeden's got all those things. So does Kirk Cousins.

As did Ricky Stanzi.

What does Weeden have that the other two don't besides a busy calendar full of extra sessions with the QBs coach/offensive assistants?

He's a winner.

He plays his best in big games.

He's clutch.

And he has a swagger that neither of those two can match, though I'd say Stanzi comes close.

But mostly, he's just much, much better. Surely you don't believe Weeden = Cousins or Stanzi?

Originally Posted by O.city

Direkshun, what are your thoughts on Osweiler?

I've watched alot of his stuff today after watching him on Grudens little talk thing. I am somewhat intrigued by the guy.

I really don't like Osweiler. I'm about as down on the guy as anybody on ChiefsPlanet.

I think he's a prospect you're going to need MULTIPLE years grooming. His outstanding size is pretty much just lankiness... I think his mechanics are awful, he's not that great in the face of pressure and he's logged less starting time than Tannehill.

I would avoid. But that's me.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by SNR

Would you go kiss Carrie Fisher right now?

She's first round talent and sucky age, too.

She is... past her prime.

[O.city]

I've asked a few times but can't really remember the answer.


What knocked Stanzi to the fifth last year? I mean if guys like Osweiler and Cousins are getting second round grades this year, what happened last year?