Other Sports Big 10 Report: Conference Realignment - Page 338

Mr. Laz · 02:57 PM

A source in St. Louis familiar with the situation told NewsCenter 16 Thursday afternoon that Missouri will leave the Big XII and soon join the Big 10. Other schools expected to follow the Tigers are Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers and Nebraska.

Many have speculated that such an expansion would include Notre Dame but ND athletic director Jack Swarbrick told me today that the Irish prefer to stay independent in football and in the Big East for other sports. Swarbrick said maintaining football Independence is such a part of what Notre Dame is.

He went on to say the Big East is a great partner for the University in other sports.

"We do have to monitor what is going on," Swarbrick said. "There will be significant shifts. "Hopefully we can navigate them by keeping our football independent and keeping our Big East affiliation because that is what we care about."

The move of Syracuse, Pitt and Rutgers to the Big Ten from the Big East could categorically change the landscape of the Big East itself. Thus, what Swarbrick is referring to when stating the University must continue to monitor what is going on.

The interview with Swarbrick was done before the late afternoon announcement.

http://www.wndu.com/sports/headlines/92447574.html

**DeezNutz** · 06-12-2010, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru

Wonder if this means that KC is done hosting conference tournaments now.

Yeah, that's the real victim in all of this.

KC will need to start hosting "neutral site" games for the three area schools. These could be cool events, but it's never going to be quite the same.

**KcMizzou** · 06-12-2010, 03:34 PM

The poor Baylor bear is great.

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BWillie · 06-12-2010, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck

The MWC is arguably better at football than the Pac 10, ACC, and Big East and it's better at basketball than the Pac 10.

No, no they aren't. The ACC and Big East aren't good, but usually are better than the MWC. Especially in perception as well, and perception is more important than in actuality.

Most people would concede that the ACC is almost always better than the Big East, and the Big East has been much better in football in recent years. Last year the Big East was 4-2 in bowls and I think beat some SEC teams. ACC was 2-3 and played formidable in losses. The MWC is the last resort for any teams in the Big 12. Alot of fans like KSU are already conceding to the MWC, but I really do think they might be able to play off their recent basketball success and get into a Big East/Conf Usa/Big 12 North merger of some sort.

**Reaper16** · 06-12-2010, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou

The poor Baylor bear is great.

http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/show...ux-in-MS-Paint

(NSFW)

wowowowowowow

vailpass · 06-12-2010, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou

The poor Baylor bear is great.

http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/show...ux-in-MS-Paint

(NSFW)

Holy shit that was funny. That site seems like a pretty loose bunch of posters not holding anything back.

**KcMizzou** · 06-12-2010, 03:41 PM

shakesthecat · 06-12-2010, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou

The poor Baylor bear is great.

http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/show...ux-in-MS-Paint

(NSFW)

That's f'in awesome!

Sweet Daddy Hate · 06-12-2010, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou

The poor Baylor bear is great.

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Rep.

Mr. Laz · 06-12-2010, 04:25 PM

douche on espn(never heard his name before) just basically said Pac-10 for the rest of the Big-12 south and MWC for everyone else.

said the Big-10 no longer wants Mizzou and the Pac-10 would take pretty much every other option before KU.

prolly an east coast media guy so he doesn't count for much

**DeezNutz** · 06-12-2010, 04:27 PM

He repeated the "MWC has interest in KU, KSU, MU" line.

Translation: He's got nothing.

KChiefs1 · 06-12-2010, 05:46 PM

Just got this emailed to me by a staunch MU donor so take it for what it is worth, which is unknown at this time but it does seem plausible:

Quote:

First off, I am going on record as stating Mizzou will be in the Big Ten by July 1. 2010 and will begin conference play in 2011.

The Big Ten targeted the two most valuable football schools they thought they could lure...Notre Dame and Texas.

Texas revealed how to get them moving was for Nebraska to leave the Big XII. The Big Ten working with the Pac 10 due to their long term alliances began plotting. Both leagues knew one or the other had to get Texas.

It was common knowledge that Colorado wanted to go to the Pac 10 and would immediately accept an invite. The P10 (&B10), wanting to debase Texas' powerplay, issued an invite to Colorado and it as known it was quickly accepted.

Texas quickly tried to force the P10 into a five team deal. The P10 wasn't going give Texas leverage. The P10 nor B10 want Baylor, KSU or Texas Tech. OKState was a low priority but to keep Texas from gaining leverage, they have a P10 invite in hand.

This opened the door for the Big Ten to call Texas' bluff by offering Nebraska. The play here by both the P10 and B10 is force Texas into giving up their media rights. Texas had already stated to the Big XII that they would never - ever - do that. Texas also stated the conference could not exist without Nebraska - so now what do they do? If they want into the Pac 10 or Big Ten, they either enter under the terms these conferences lay out or they remain in a dying, vulnerable Big XII.

Texas' hand has been forced and their power has been diminished. Texas responds by 'shopping' themselves to the P10,B10 and SEC but none of them will let Texas make the rules or have control. I believe the real play here is to split the Texas schools up so that they cannot align together to control the new conference(s) they enter.

Now, there are several schools that are coattailers...Texas Tech, Baylor, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Iowa State and due to their connection to KSU, Kansas.

There are some key schools that are in great position moving forward with Missouri being one of them.

The P10 & B10 want to control the landscape. They both want Texas but will let the chips fall where they may. The P10 also wants Oklahoma. I also believe that the P10 would like to end up with Utah to keep Senator Hatch off their back. If the P10 can play this out, they will add Colorado, Utah, OK, OKst, Texas and Kansas.

The B10 is banking that ND sees the light. I think the B10 might consider inviting ND but let them remain a football indy until their current television deal expires in 2015. I am betting that there are buyouts in the deal and that ND enters league play in football in either 2012 or 2013 at the latest. The B10 would then forge ahead to add three more teams. Those teams will be Missouri, Rutgers and Maryland. Those teams will begin league play in 2011 along with Nebraska and ND (except FB). IF the NBC/ND buyout is small enough or if the B10 can workout an agreement to permit some of the big games to be on NBC, then ND enters league play in 2011.

Kansas and Utah to an extent are the most vulnerable in this scenario. If Texas truly has a 'Tech' problem and has to take them with, then KU is the odd man out. KU and Utah are both out if A&M backs out on the SEC and goes with Texas and the 'Tech' problem to the P10. I could also see A&M being forced to take Tech with them to the SEC.

I truly believe that the P10 and B10 both desire Texas but with the fewest number of other Texas teams as possible.

In the end, the B10 and P10 have controlled this whole situation and have masterfully played out the game. By July 1, Missouri will be in the B10 and Kansas in the P10. The border war will continue with both the basketball and football games being played in Kansas City. Can you imagine a Rose Bowl of Mizzou vs Kansas?

WilliamTheIrish · 06-12-2010, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

nobody that i know of ever said it was the law, you moron

it's was and still is up to the Kansas Board of Regents

and what has changed is that people are getting desperate about either school ending up in a BCS conference.

I still think that KBOR will push for keeping KU/KSU together up to the point where neither gets in and then they will let them split up.

There was only one person in this thread that jumped on that talking point:

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Originally Posted by metro

Or maybe you're just an ignorant dumbass unaware of Kansas legislature preventing the schools from being split into different conferences, kind of like Texas and TAMU. That's a non issue, though, because Kansas was never in the discussion for B10. I have no idea who, where or when ever said that was the reason KU isn't going to the B10.

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Originally Posted by WTI

Second time I've seen this posted. Can anybody cite the legislative act that states this?

kstater · 06-12-2010, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1

Just got this emailed to me by a staunch MU donor so take it for what it is worth, which is unknown at this time but it does seem plausible:

Al Bundy · 06-12-2010, 05:55 PM

AT&T doesn't have the Mountain Network.

Mr. Laz · 06-12-2010, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

There was only one person in this thread that jumped on that talking point:

actually texas does have legislature about it, i believe.

if Kansas does then i'm not aware of it.

BUT .... KBOR holds the money stick and "just about" has a law for it.

of course, any school who wants to turn down state funding, can tell the regents to lick their anus.

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