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Mr. Laz · 02:57 PM

A source in St. Louis familiar with the situation told NewsCenter 16 Thursday afternoon that Missouri will leave the Big XII and soon join the Big 10. Other schools expected to follow the Tigers are Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers and Nebraska.

Many have speculated that such an expansion would include Notre Dame but ND athletic director Jack Swarbrick told me today that the Irish prefer to stay independent in football and in the Big East for other sports. Swarbrick said maintaining football Independence is such a part of what Notre Dame is.

He went on to say the Big East is a great partner for the University in other sports.

"We do have to monitor what is going on," Swarbrick said. "There will be significant shifts. "Hopefully we can navigate them by keeping our football independent and keeping our Big East affiliation because that is what we care about."

The move of Syracuse, Pitt and Rutgers to the Big Ten from the Big East could categorically change the landscape of the Big East itself. Thus, what Swarbrick is referring to when stating the University must continue to monitor what is going on.

The interview with Swarbrick was done before the late afternoon announcement.

http://www.wndu.com/sports/headlines/92447574.html

Bambi · 06-09-2010, 02:12 PM

Another Nebraska homer on 810 right now.

"It's DEF that Neb is going..."

KK: "Not is ND joins.."

Bambi · 06-09-2010, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

Honestly, it should be a matter of if only one team (either one) can get into a BCS conference, they should allow it even without the other.

At this point I think even KU would leave KSU behind. And that's really unfortunate.

Mr. Laz · 06-09-2010, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

Honestly, it should be a matter of if only one team (either one) can get into a BCS conference, they should allow it even without the other.

the problem i see is that KU isn't strong enough to force a package deal. I'm worry these big conferences will just move on instead of messes with trying to fit KSU or pry away KU.

**luv** · 06-09-2010, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stewie

I think you forgot an 't in there somewhere.

Yeah, reread and got it.

I hate it when I do that...lol.

**Bearcat** · 06-09-2010, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by luv

Nothing to do with fandom. I can stand people who say they are better than others, period. Yes, we can argue which school is better, etc, but to say one person is better than another....

LOL, that's what MU/KU is all about... KU fans talk about trophies and success, then MU fans act like they're superior people.

Titty Meat · 06-09-2010, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Wickedson

Another Nebraska homer on 810 right now.

"It's DEF that Neb is going..."

KK: "Not is ND joins.."

Lane works for Nebraska you idiot. And he didn't say that.

**luv** · 06-09-2010, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

LOL, that's what MU/KU is all about... KU fans talk about trophies and success, then MU fans act like they're superior people.

Maybe I should have placed the nothing to do with fandom in bold print.

|Zach| · 06-09-2010, 02:18 PM

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/...ss/?tigerextra

Over the next two days, the University of Missouri’s Board of Curators will meet and surely discuss the possibility of switching from the Big 12 to the Big Ten. If parliamentary procedure is followed, that discussion should take 10 seconds.

All in favor? Aye. Next on the agenda …

Not that leaving behind ancient associates/rivals from the old Big Eight is cause for celebration. Not that leaving a very advantageous football and basketball position in the weak half of a powerful conference is without consequence. Not that football recruiting in Texas won’t suffer.

But you gotta do what you gotta do. If the Big Ten offers, Missouri would be nuts to say no. It’s just a better financial deal than the Big 12 — for the school and the athletic department. Everyone involved in conference realignment is acting solely on self-interest, and a home in a stable conference whose federal grant money and football TV revenue dwarfs the Big 12’s is in Missouri’s best interest.

That is the bizarre thing about the Big 12’s ultimatum to Missouri and Nebraska. They must declare allegiance. Or else? Or else everyone else in the league with another offer is going defect. It confirms the dysfunction of the relationship in the first place. Of course Missouri and Nebraska are going to leave if they get the chance. This process wouldn’t have gone this far if they didn’t want to leave and didn’t have a pretty good idea they would be invited.

A last-minute decision by Notre Dame to join the Big Ten could leave Missouri and/or Nebraska in the lurch, but committing to the Big 12 is no less risky and a lot less rewardy — if Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany can make up words like “executy” in his cryptic e-mails, so can I. Who’s to say half the Big 12 won’t decide to bolt in the near future regardless of what Missouri and Nebraska do? If we learned anything during the conference realignment saga, it is to trust no one.

I mean, is Texas interested in keeping the Big 12 intact out of loyalty? No, it’s because Texas officials were smart and powerful enough to dictate the terms of the league when it formed and the conference has been a good platform for the Longhorns to succeed in every sport. The Big 12 has worked for Texas, and Texas wants the status quo. There’s nothing wrong with that motivation, but let’s not confuse it with loyalty.

This story has been propelled by information from anonymous and occasionally imaginary sources. What smiling school and conference officials say into microphones and what they mean are unrelated. Despite the scarcity of unbiased information, the reputations of the key players have been redefined throughout the process — almost universally for the worse.

The Big 12’s Dan Beebe is the read-and-react commissioner who is getting outfoxed by his more aggressive rivals, such as Delany and the Pac-10’s Larry Scott. When Beebe took over three years ago, he inherited all the problems that would drive his league apart — a mediocre television contract, unequal revenue sharing, resentment from the old Big Eight schools that Texas wields too much power in the Big 12 — but he hasn’t come up with any proactive solutions. The lingering image from last week’s conference meetings was of Beebe fleeing reporters into an elevator after he was blindsided by the news that the Pac-10, with whom he planned a partnership that would save the Big 12, was more interested in a hostile takeover.

Proud institutions are now routinely deemed academically inferior by talk-show hosts who would be overmatched by an entry-level math course. Texas Tech was considered a “problem” that would have to be solved or swallowed in order for the Big Ten to land Texas, according to an e-mail from Ohio State President Gordon Gee to Delany. By virtue of geography, population and lack of football tradition, Iowa State, Kansas and Kansas State have been labeled as the Big 12’s losers. Baylor and Colorado are hoping to avoid that fate by being the throw-in on a six-school exodus to the Pac-10.

As for Missouri’s portrayal in the media, it has changed drastically in six months. In December, Athletic Director Mike Alden complained publicly about revenue sharing and the blown opportunity for a Big 12 Network. He was voicing the frustrations of several of his Big 12 North brethren. Chancellor Brady Deaton and President Gary Forsee suggested MU would be willing to listen to Big Ten offers. Missouri’s academic attributes, including its membership in the prestigious American Association of Universities, were highlighted. Missouri’s value to the Big Ten as a state with 2.2 million households ready to subscribe to the Big Ten Network was duly noted.

More recently, though, Missouri has been characterized as underachieving, overcomplaining and just plain irrelevant — some have suggested Nebraska’s decision alone will determine whether the Big 12 continues or collapses.

What changed? Well, it wasn’t anything Missouri officials said. They haven’t said anything more substantive than, “We are a proud member of the Big 12 Conference,” on or off the record in months. But the rest of the Big 12 continues to talk, often anonymously, and that view is being repeated.
That’s just the price for not playing the media’s game. Reporters tend to champion the causes of those who call them back. Journalism abhors a vacuum.

In the end, it doesn’t make much difference anyway. What the media and the rest of the Big 12 think of Missouri has become a moot point. What the Big Ten decision-makers think is what matters.

Reach Joe Walljasper at 573-815-1783 or e-mail jwalljasper@columbiatribune.com.

Bambi · 06-09-2010, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Lane works for Nebraska you idiot. And he didn't say that.

Well now later in the interview he's pulled back a bit.

Pants · 06-09-2010, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by luv

Maybe I should have placed the nothing to do with fandom in bold print.

KU fans don't claim to be superior to MU fans. We claim our school is superior. Maybe one day, the whole lot of you will get it. It's not arrogance to expect to win when that's all your team has been doing throughout the history of the sport. It's not arrogance to bring up the trophies. That's Bearcat's point. The only people who claim KU fans feel superior to MU fans are MU fans.

Sam Hall · 06-09-2010, 02:23 PM

The hype before the Nebraska-Texas game in Lincoln is going to be wild.

ArrowheadHawk · 06-09-2010, 02:24 PM

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/the...s_super_league

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Hoops Super League

Put aside for a minute the fact that we all acknowledge football drives conference expansion and realignment. I get it, we, the puny basketball adoring public, don't move the needle like rabid football fans. But I was absolutely giddy when Teddy Greenstein of the Chicago Tribune dropped this nugget on Twitter today:

Source tells me: Kansas and other Big 12/Pac-10 "rejects" would draw interest from Big East.

/Catches breath. ...
Take a minute to picture a basketball conference featuring the following: Kansas, Kansas State, Syracuse, Villanova, West Virginia, Louisville, Marquette, Georgetown. If the Big Ten decided to not go to 16, you could even find yourself retaining Pittsburgh and Notre Dame, too. That doesn't even account for UConn and Cincinnati, programs traditionally strong over the last two decades who are experiencing something of a down period.

There would undoubtedly be some skepticism about the distances involved when it comes to travel -- in fact, I already had that tweeted at me once -- but the fact remains that the distance from Kansas to Syracuse is actually shorter than from South Florida to Syracuse. If they made it work for a school, which, with all due respect, doesn't have half the history, tradition and prestige that KU does, why wouldn't they make it work with the Jayhawks?

The game changes significantly for whatever Big East takes shape if there's a heavy Big Ten raid. Losing some larger chunk like Syracuse, Pitt and West Virginia would not only cut at hoops, but the latter two would also be a serious blow to football. Even when it's about basketball, it's still really about football, and the lost revenue there might make it tougher for those non-revenue sports to realistically play one another.
At the end of the day, we're talking about an anonymous source at a time when rumors are flying left and right, but a hoops fan can dream, right?

Frazod · 06-09-2010, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Metrolike

KU fans don't claim to be superior to MU fans. We claim our school is superior. Maybe one day, the whole lot of you will get it. It's not arrogance to expect to win when that's all your team has been doing throughout the history of one single sport that we never ever ever ever ever ever quit talking about. It's not arrogance to bring up the trophies. That's Bearcat's point. The only people who claim KU fans feel superior to MU fans are MU fans.

FYP

Bambi · 06-09-2010, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/the...s_super_league

KU would do fine in the Big East in football as well.

With an automatic bid in place Turner Gill takes em to the promised land.

ArrowheadHawk · 06-09-2010, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Wickedson

KU would do fine in the Big East in football as well.

With an automatic bid in place Turner Gill takes em to the promised land.

Don't like only half the teams play football?

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\|Zach\| For The Glory Of The City Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $3186768	http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/...ss/?tigerextra Over the next two days, the University of Missouri’s Board of Curators will meet and surely discuss the possibility of switching from the Big 12 to the Big Ten. If parliamentary procedure is followed, that discussion should take 10 seconds. All in favor? Aye. Next on the agenda … Not that leaving behind ancient associates/rivals from the old Big Eight is cause for celebration. Not that leaving a very advantageous football and basketball position in the weak half of a powerful conference is without consequence. Not that football recruiting in Texas won’t suffer. But you gotta do what you gotta do. If the Big Ten offers, Missouri would be nuts to say no. It’s just a better financial deal than the Big 12 — for the school and the athletic department. Everyone involved in conference realignment is acting solely on self-interest, and a home in a stable conference whose federal grant money and football TV revenue dwarfs the Big 12’s is in Missouri’s best interest. That is the bizarre thing about the Big 12’s ultimatum to Missouri and Nebraska. They must declare allegiance. Or else? Or else everyone else in the league with another offer is going defect. It confirms the dysfunction of the relationship in the first place. Of course Missouri and Nebraska are going to leave if they get the chance. This process wouldn’t have gone this far if they didn’t want to leave and didn’t have a pretty good idea they would be invited. A last-minute decision by Notre Dame to join the Big Ten could leave Missouri and/or Nebraska in the lurch, but committing to the Big 12 is no less risky and a lot less rewardy — if Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany can make up words like “executy” in his cryptic e-mails, so can I. Who’s to say half the Big 12 won’t decide to bolt in the near future regardless of what Missouri and Nebraska do? If we learned anything during the conference realignment saga, it is to trust no one. I mean, is Texas interested in keeping the Big 12 intact out of loyalty? No, it’s because Texas officials were smart and powerful enough to dictate the terms of the league when it formed and the conference has been a good platform for the Longhorns to succeed in every sport. The Big 12 has worked for Texas, and Texas wants the status quo. There’s nothing wrong with that motivation, but let’s not confuse it with loyalty. This story has been propelled by information from anonymous and occasionally imaginary sources. What smiling school and conference officials say into microphones and what they mean are unrelated. Despite the scarcity of unbiased information, the reputations of the key players have been redefined throughout the process — almost universally for the worse. The Big 12’s Dan Beebe is the read-and-react commissioner who is getting outfoxed by his more aggressive rivals, such as Delany and the Pac-10’s Larry Scott. When Beebe took over three years ago, he inherited all the problems that would drive his league apart — a mediocre television contract, unequal revenue sharing, resentment from the old Big Eight schools that Texas wields too much power in the Big 12 — but he hasn’t come up with any proactive solutions. The lingering image from last week’s conference meetings was of Beebe fleeing reporters into an elevator after he was blindsided by the news that the Pac-10, with whom he planned a partnership that would save the Big 12, was more interested in a hostile takeover. Proud institutions are now routinely deemed academically inferior by talk-show hosts who would be overmatched by an entry-level math course. Texas Tech was considered a “problem” that would have to be solved or swallowed in order for the Big Ten to land Texas, according to an e-mail from Ohio State President Gordon Gee to Delany. By virtue of geography, population and lack of football tradition, Iowa State, Kansas and Kansas State have been labeled as the Big 12’s losers. Baylor and Colorado are hoping to avoid that fate by being the throw-in on a six-school exodus to the Pac-10. As for Missouri’s portrayal in the media, it has changed drastically in six months. In December, Athletic Director Mike Alden complained publicly about revenue sharing and the blown opportunity for a Big 12 Network. He was voicing the frustrations of several of his Big 12 North brethren. Chancellor Brady Deaton and President Gary Forsee suggested MU would be willing to listen to Big Ten offers. Missouri’s academic attributes, including its membership in the prestigious American Association of Universities, were highlighted. Missouri’s value to the Big Ten as a state with 2.2 million households ready to subscribe to the Big Ten Network was duly noted. More recently, though, Missouri has been characterized as underachieving, overcomplaining and just plain irrelevant — some have suggested Nebraska’s decision alone will determine whether the Big 12 continues or collapses. What changed? Well, it wasn’t anything Missouri officials said. They haven’t said anything more substantive than, “We are a proud member of the Big 12 Conference,” on or off the record in months. But the rest of the Big 12 continues to talk, often anonymously, and that view is being repeated. That’s just the price for not playing the media’s game. Reporters tend to champion the causes of those who call them back. Journalism abhors a vacuum. In the end, it doesn’t make much difference anyway. What the media and the rest of the Big 12 think of Missouri has become a moot point. What the Big Ten decision-makers think is what matters. 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